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So "Beat Integrity" will become a thing of the past (Again)?

The more things change...


rb

8/29/2013 12:11:00 AM

Where do i sign up? I still have a lien on my house, might as well get another....

8/29/2013 12:14:00 AM

"The Squads will cover specific areas and will take the place of the beats."

Once again, the taxpaying citizens will get the short end of the stick, while the "high-crime" areas get ALL the attention.

No crime prevention in the nice areas, just a lot of police in the "ghettoes".

I'm moving out of the city.

8/29/2013 12:16:00 AM

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results"

Albert Einstein

8/29/2013 12:16:00 AM

Is there not one CPD tradition that can be left in place ? Whats next, dump the checkered hat band ?

8/29/2013 12:30:00 AM

This type if policing only works in slower than normal sectors where officers can quickly back each other up or respond to each others in-progress calls (example 430) but in the crime ridden areas where there are multiple in-progress calls (example 420) it once again will divide the sector into beats to be covered by a 2 man car (if lucky)...it will never work. Why pilot it in 012 - why not try it in a "fast" district like 11 or 15 ...we all know why - because it won't work!!! Our department can't get away from "what's old is new again" type of policing...how sad for all of us who love this job.

8/29/2013 12:34:00 AM

Holy shit. We should have seen this coming. They're just expanding on the current policing strategy that if there are no police around to take a report, statistically speaking, the crime did not occur. The only number they can't fudge is a dead human being. That will be the ONLY focus of this department. Everything else, the citizens are on their own. This is shocking. The only people worthy of police service anymore are the gangbangers and their families?! Detroit, here we come! (fart noise)

8/29/2013 12:36:00 AM

The system that was described is like the Task Force system that was used in Chicago in the 1960's. There was a Lieutenant in charge in each of the 6 areas. Each of the 7 day off groups had a sergeant leading each team. Everyone on the team was assigned to the same DOG. Five teams would be working with two teams day off. Downtown would assign the teams to a burglary or robbery pattern on a daily basis. The sgts would handle the time due off within there individual team. This team concept built morale and team spirit.

8/29/2013 12:51:00 AM

Another useless New York idea for Chicago. I say, McGoofy go back to New York already!!!! McGoofy needs to be sent for a psych evaluation since it is abnormal to have such problems of "letting go of New York," it's time for a shrink to stop the madness before he destroys our police department.

8/29/2013 12:51:00 AM

if this goes threw,as a city we will be toast.

8/29/2013 01:01:00 AM

Doing this already in west suburban departments.....

8/29/2013 01:09:00 AM

This dept and city is gone! OMG !!!

8/29/2013 01:28:00 AM

We already have mini tru teams they are called sat teams in the areas. What do they do?

8/29/2013 02:00:00 AM

No thanks!

8/29/2013 02:09:00 AM

together we can

8/29/2013 02:30:00 AM

Beat"cars" will soon be a thing of the past anyway, once oil is no longer priced in US dollars.
Look to China's past to see our future.

8/29/2013 02:57:00 AM

Heh...

Nice find SCC!

The authors and contributors of this paper are on solid ground in their Police scholarship and presentation.

We'll also add that the repeated attempts over the last quarter century to overlay urban Policing with the "Corporate Model" are exercises in futility and failure.

It is an incompatible fit due to the human element and the fact that most end users of Police services are so God-Awfully messy, unpredictable and beyond salvage to the point that no corporate metric can rightly be applied unless there is a concerted effort to gin up the end results.

Fuckery with crime statistics anyone?

We direct everyone's attention to DOJ whistling in a bunch of former and present Police executives in NYC, Newark and other places, (likely to include Chicago)regarding above mentioned statistical fuckery and promulgation of BAD POLICY at the executive levels resulting in pressure on the Patrol echelon to engage in questionable to flat out wrong Policing practices like Stop and Frisk to feed the Comp-Stat Frankenstein of statistical fuckery...

Hiya Garry!
John Eterno and Eli Silverman said Comp-Stat was and is bullshit...

Now you're reaching back for something else derided as bullshit 25 years ago to afflict CPD with?

Still trying to sweep a massive manpower shortage under the rug, eh?

This experiment in fuckery in 012 is yet another sign that the "smart people" we're currently afflicted with, have no business being mayor of this city or superintendent of this department.

They're doing EVERYTHING to avoid facing up to the fact thet they're raving incompetents fearful of actually doing what is right by the upright citizens of this city and a Police Depertment intentionally forced into a continuous rear-guard action.

Proactive requires a robust Patrol component and supporting structure...

End of the Beat Car?
Team Policing?

Debunked and discredited as the very shit snatched from Desperation's sweating, quaking ass and flung against the wall to see if any actually sticks.

The damning indictment is in the emphasized portion of text on the last page...

"...team policing... was usually planned and implemented with enthusiasm... The, with little fanfare, it would vanish..."

Again... Nice find on this one SCC.

The sideshow in 012 is mere distraction.

Hopefully, no Policemen will get hurt because of this.

8/29/2013 04:13:00 AM

Lost Chicago. Thanks Dumbocrats. Your nothing more than rats...

8/29/2013 04:18:00 AM

I am surprised the Department has not used the solution for manpower shortages in the 1980's. Reduce the number of Beats in each Sector. Fewer Beats=Fully Manned.

8/29/2013 04:49:00 AM

So we are renaming the saturation teams?

8/29/2013 04:59:00 AM

and knowing our department they will create a new set of DOGs and work hours...which MLAS Cdr O'Neill will insist falls of of the purvey of the current expired contract......and it will fail spectacularly

8/29/2013 05:06:00 AM

Guess for those who live in 016 there'll be now even less service. They'll probably just turn 016 into "one" sector. A sgt. and a few cars to cover it all.

8/29/2013 05:37:00 AM

no matter what mcdumbnuts does to work schedules you still can only handle one job at a time!!! and dont worry about numbers LOL until the next copmstat hearings!!! dept is a joke and we can blame the brass which has no balls to stand up to mcdumbnuts. oh against contract to switch DOG, must be done reverse senority or voluntary if not file grievance! its in black and white page 34 contract!

8/29/2013 05:45:00 AM

Is the Dept hoping that, with this method of policing, that those citizens that have conceal carry will step up and assist in controlling crime in the lower crime areas of the city?

8/29/2013 05:56:00 AM

If that's the case then bts like 2211 won't have any police

8/29/2013 05:59:00 AM

Sunk to the bottom of the ocean. This department is DONE.

8/29/2013 06:15:00 AM

My favorite point from this article:
"You don't need to man beat cars any more, so safer neighborhoods will see even less visible police presence".

In other words, the good decent areas of a district will see less police presence. So where do you think the criminals are going to go?

8/29/2013 06:21:00 AM

"Failure doesn't mean that Chicago can't make it fail even more spectacularly." - Exactly

8/29/2013 06:24:00 AM

The citizens in this city better wake the fuck up. If they don't do anything then we are fucked. Having a regular officer assigned to a beat does make a difference. If you have a bunch of officers assigned to an area then they will only concentrate on the shit areas and won't do anything for the non shit areas. Oh wait, they will wait for the good areas to get bad and then pay attention to them! Now that makes sense.

8/29/2013 06:29:00 AM

As a beat officer in the 25th district, I love working my beat. I love talking to the business owners, the people walking around and decent people who live on my beat. I am very proactive and take care of business on my beat. If the city as a whole goes with this brain dead idea then we are toast. The good areas will turn bad.

8/29/2013 06:44:00 AM

It s simple hire adequate manpower,adhere to Beat and Sector Integrity and you have less problems. This is really a sign of desperation.

8/29/2013 06:45:00 AM

Team Policing, FUCK YA!!!!!

Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah,

8/29/2013 06:49:00 AM

We need to get rid of this mayor and an outsider should never be brought in to run what's left of our Police Department. Im tired of this guys arrogance and the constant b.s. they put out on the news. Does anyone believe anything that these goofs say anymore?Anybody else have a problem during 2nd Watch with the roll calls in the morning? In 010 we have maybe 5 or 6 PO's in the room. At least two of them will be downed standing on a deserted street. Another will be sitting in a "box", not able to answer calls. Safe Passage bullshit isn't safe for anyone. The couple schools that are being focused on leaves the rest of the kids WITHOUT ANY PROTECTION. No Police visibility for hours during the Safe Passage times. No Police back up when all you have are 99 Units responding to the never ending calls..... Count down till the criminals figure that out begins..... Only thing we have going for us is a lot are sleeping off their drunk or high from the night before. So their day starts a little later. But..............

8/29/2013 07:06:00 AM

Arm yourselves good citizens. You're gonna need it.

8/29/2013 07:16:00 AM

Beat cars are here to stay... whoever thinks otherwise is dreaming. For two years McCarthy has been drilling District Commanders on the beat car. For every problem the first question is where was the beat car, what were they doing? The concept of moving the rest of our resources that way is a possibility, but the beat car in Chicago is here to stay. Bank on it!!!

8/29/2013 07:20:00 AM

Regarding the above mention of Task Force operation in the 60's. Yes this the way TF worked. But each District had a lot more manpower than you have today. 3rd Watch in the old 014: 30 beats, 4 wagons and 3-4 Sgts. And you still heard "no cars available in 11 no cars available in 15 1432 take a man shot at Lake and Cicero"

8/29/2013 07:21:00 AM

kind of like what they did years ago...the Sarge and cops were assigned to a sector, all in the same d.o.g...one team for each sector, two relief sector teams to rotate around and fill in for the team that was off....

8/29/2013 07:23:00 AM

Once again this is theft of police services from taxpaying areas to give to non taxpaying ghetto.

This is nothing more that strait up stealing.

Call you alderman and ask why is this theft allowed??

-Garry M

8/29/2013 07:23:00 AM

####### Finally among the trash this#######

The system that was described is like the Task Force system that was used in Chicago in the 1960's. There was a Lieutenant in charge in each of the 6 areas. Each of the 7 day off groups had a sergeant leading each team. Everyone on the team was assigned to the same DOG. Five teams would be working with two teams day off. Downtown would assign the teams to a burglary or robbery pattern on a daily basis. The sgts would handle the time due off within there individual team. This team concept built morale and team spirit.

I am all the way on board with this. Kudos to you sir......

8/29/2013 07:23:00 AM

If you are a taxpayer and live in a nice neighborhood GET A GUN! Defend yourself. The City will not be there for you.

8/29/2013 07:27:00 AM

And I thought I paid allot of taxes for nothing NOW

8/29/2013 07:30:00 AM

The only original thought any higher ups have had in this city come from New York. If the painted their squads purple would we soon follow. Just throwing more smoke and mirrors.

8/29/2013 07:50:00 AM

We did this in 012 in the early 70's,I think it lasted all of 2 periods,when they discovered it did'nt work.





720 W.O'Brien Alumni

8/29/2013 07:58:00 AM

How about we just go all the fuckin' way and close all but 3 districts. We'll have a district NORTH, SOUTH and WEST and make squads within those districts. That should alleviate the need for more manpower and we'll save money on operating districts. We can shit can all "unnecessary" units and details; mounted, k9, narcotics, gangs, etc. No need for these. We need these bodies to saturate the shit areas. Everything will be done at the district level, so each district will be assigned an E.T., but only to collect evidence for homicides. Oh, and all detectives will work in the districts so we'll save more there. We can start phasing out some Lt's, CMDR'S etc since we'll be running less districts. More savings there. We can go on and on with this frustrating shit.

8/29/2013 08:23:00 AM

Is it true they want to privatize the forensic unit?

8/29/2013 08:28:00 AM

Check out the link to SCC on a U of C newsletter singing the praises of two of their their alumni, Goldbrick and Luberman.

http://magazine.uchicago.edu/1102/arts_sciences/byte-cop.shtml

So a "director" computer nerd (Brett Goldstein] that had no police experience and ties to the democrapic machine that launched him from patrolman to a six figure salary in four years, clouted commanders [like Luberman, same launch to six figures and then gone like the wind], and criminal alderscum are now calling all the shots for where the limited police manpower will be deployed.

What could go wrong?

Why is it that crime skyrocketed in Chicago? Do you not understand, voters? These people have come in, bled the system and run off to leech off other organizations just like Rahm did. Do you maybe notice a little pattern here?

8/29/2013 08:28:00 AM

I think everybody is missing the real objective of this scam. The idea to this mess is to have Sgt's SPAR PO's for inactivity. In return the Sgt gets written up for not motivating the PO's under his/her supervision. I am a Sgt. I supervise different PO's all the time. The system described here makes it as some have said a TACT team. The Sgt knows all PO's and the PO's know the Sgt. The Sgt won't have any excuses as to why the PO has zero or little activity. The Sgt supervises that PO directly everyday. The Sgt only supervises the PO's in their DOG. The dept will need more Sgt's but less Lt's. The dept eliminates beat cars meaning you can change POs start times without notice. No PO assigned to a beat means no set start time. The Lt's and above have get a huge amount of responsibility taken away from them (no surprise). The weight of what goes on falls completely on the Sgts. This is the result of far to many POs doing Jack for the last decade and the Sgts letting them get away with it.

8/29/2013 08:39:00 AM

On a side note, call boxes will be installed on street corners.

8/29/2013 08:47:00 AM

I fell asleep on the toilet reading that paper.

8/29/2013 08:51:00 AM

This mayor and carpet bagging superintendent have ruined this department with their experimentation. They skew the numbers and lie to the public about how crime is down. The public buys it and applauds the efforts of these two ASSHOLES. So glad I'm out and hope that Emperor Rhambo is a ONE TERMER.

8/29/2013 08:52:00 AM

retired now.
Team Policing was a way to take reponsiblity for crime away from the police and blame it on the public. If there was one bad member of the team, it ruined the whole team effort, such as it was.

Didn't work too well. There were no police for the local citizens to talk to, and no accountability
on the part of the city.

Also, we had a lot more officers back then.

Just another layer of smoke and mirrors.

Just one question. Where is all the money we are paying for police protection going????

8/29/2013 08:55:00 AM

Important questions:

Does this mean no more holding myself down on traffic stops the whole tour?

Do I have to take my three lunches in my assigned sector?

What about the lost revenue from the 20 cellphone ANOVs I write each day?

Will it continue to be O.K. asking for a personal when dispatch tries assigning me a job?

Can I still be on the fool bird Colonel's team?

8/29/2013 08:56:00 AM

Another dumb idea at the expense of high tax paying citizens!

Get out of Chicago if you can!

Detroit is the next stop!

8/29/2013 08:59:00 AM

i didnt realize we live in mayberry.

send barney fife

8/29/2013 09:00:00 AM

A lot of beat cars are already down most of the time anyways. Also, most citizens don't seem to care anyways. Well they only care once the crime moves up drastically in their neighborhood. But then it's really too little and too late.

8/29/2013 09:06:00 AM

Thank God I only have three years to go. I feel sorry for all of the new officers and officers with less than ten years on the job. This city and department will continue to compromise your safety, the safety of the citizens and the general incompetence will continue.

8/29/2013 09:08:00 AM

Below is a link to a study concerning the failure of the Team Policing concept you referred to SCC:

http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?collection=journals&handle=hein.journals/ajpol12&div=6&id=&page=

8/29/2013 09:18:00 AM

I'm so glad I'm a inside bid spot. Or is that next to go once Shields succumbs to Rahm?

8/29/2013 09:20:00 AM

Actually the pilot will look something like this:
A. There will be a Sergeant and 10 Officers assigned to a sector. All in the same day-off group.
B. There will be a floating Sergeant and 10 Officers who will man these sectors during the assigned teams day off.
C. These Teams will be responsible to their assigned sectors.
Looks good on paper but will it work?

8/29/2013 09:25:00 AM

What manpower shortage? The sky's not falling Napolean and McFailure say so themselves. They're two straight talking, standup guys who would never lie or mislead.

8/29/2013 09:27:00 AM

In the Fast districts , quit clearing with 19-P , write reports on every crime . Take a coffee break with a TVB . Ticket all the expired plates and no city sticker .

8/29/2013 09:27:00 AM

Sorry about going back to an old thread but, if we have Me Too clauses with the Sgt's, Lt's and fire fighters won't we get whatever percentage raise they get for the first year of the contract that Shields screwed up.
I also believe shields and FoP need to get on the offensive and start enforcing all the contract provisions the city violates , 20% management per shift is violated everywhere safety violations in every lock up and every squad car.start training the field reps to deal with this file lawsuits over the city failing to follow contract, quit going along and getting along Rahm is fucking the PO's at least put up a fight and make management miserable. We can't win but we can force the city to work with us.

8/29/2013 09:41:00 AM

Who's in charge when there's no Sgt. And they will be short Sgts. Even after this test. Back in 1992 the 12th district was "rumored" to be closing never happened. Got to love the thinking outside the box. Except its not coming from anyone with a clue.

8/29/2013 09:45:00 AM

I'm confused. So when there a call of "child left alone" or " dog bite at Stroger. A whole team will respond?

8/29/2013 09:48:00 AM

It's not really a New York idea, it was widely implemented throughout the country up until the late '70s, but it was more or less replaced with beat style policing due to computer mapping of crime.

For what it's worth. We don't have enough Sergeants for this; in police departments where it worked, the rank of Corporal exists to cover lapses in supervision.

8/29/2013 09:58:00 AM

Sorry I would have to dis agree the team concept worked in the old 23 pretty well, its only draw back was the amount of man power it took to operate properly. But as far as working you worked with the same ten guys all the time, 4 beat cars and a wagon. The guys gelled pretty well, you didn't mind mundane tasks because they were passed around everyone had his turn in the barrel and everyone had his turn being the hero.

8/29/2013 09:58:00 AM

When failure is imminent, try something else. It doesn't matter how ridiculous it is, at least you can say you tried while you wring your hands.

No keeses for them.

8/29/2013 10:04:00 AM

I call BS on the "competing against each other in the squad for time off." This is a labor issue and contractual. This can not happen unless it is worked out with the FOP. Any silly changes that go against the contract are challeged by greivence. This whole silly idea though doesn't suprise me. The department has become a laughing stock. All the fools at 35th care about is petty stats so no one is available to go after the serious crimes.

8/29/2013 10:18:00 AM

This will fail. They want a militaristic paradigm. The problem with that is most bosses of the CPD don't have any military experience let alone any "real" police experience. Most of CPD rank and file don't either. This will fail miserably AGAIN. There is no espirit de corps and it doesn't look like there will be one soon. I'll continue to do my job either way and take the job, which I love, with the garbage politics and media machine/agenda that come along with it. Not sure for how much longer though.

8/29/2013 10:30:00 AM

This was attempted in the late 1970's and called the sector system. It lasted for about a year in several northside districts. It failed because it turned out to be more man power intensive. Sector members had the same days off and a roving sector team was needed to fill in much as tac teams work. Furloughs, medical, training and court could not be compensated for. The po's liked it but it just didn't work.

8/29/2013 10:35:00 AM

Off topic: how does the department issue a NATO SERVICE AWARD to people not even deployed to NATO ? How does crossing guards get the NATO award and how does people on IOD extended medical and light duty get the NATO award ?? This Is a slap in the face to the people that were actually deployed from their district to NATO and to the bike officers that had urine thrown at them ! What a joke this city is !

8/29/2013 10:39:00 AM

Funny, the entire concept would seem to require good leadership at the squad level, i.e., a whole bunch of good sergeants.

Sorry, but sergeants in Chicago didn't pass a test and weren't otherwise selected for anything resembling the kind of leadership and decision-making skills. There aren't very many sergeants who could do a good job with something like this.

8/29/2013 10:44:00 AM

where i can i sign up as long as i get my couty time n vri i coulsd care . you younger guys save your money buy a couple of apartment building and get into defer comp as the next big one 12 hr shifts you will work three 12 hr day in row then off the next 3 you heard it from me.

8/29/2013 10:55:00 AM

Its the Sector Concept that we used in 1978 and 1979. Didn't work then and probably wont work now. So nice to be in the KMA Club.

8/29/2013 11:23:00 AM

Surely you can count on City leadership and CPD leadership to know what works best and do the right thing, given budget restraints.

8/29/2013 11:28:00 AM

It's about time. "The Beat" is a concept that predates the radio. It is obsolete and inefficient.

The only ones who love "the beat" are the many lazy dogs on this job who do nothing on them.

8/29/2013 11:34:00 AM

It seems to make sense to concentrate your police forces in the high crime areas. Low crime areas need very minimal police presence.

8/29/2013 11:40:00 AM

LAPD tried this a couple times and it does not work. It was a waste of time for us. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Promote leaders and back up the troops. Unfortunately all of us Big City Cops suffer because of this BS Compstat.

Stay Safe

8/29/2013 11:51:00 AM

OT:

The thugs of Champaign Urbana welcome your sheep back to their wolfs lair.

http://www.news-gazette.com/mary-schenk/2013-08-29/urbana-teen-arrested-over-attack-ui-student.html

remind your kids to walk in pairs///

8/29/2013 12:08:00 PM

Conceal carry for citizens can't come fast enough.when a burglar is shot to death or a fight turns into a shooting just walk away,k ind of nice to see the old west make a comeback.

8/29/2013 12:37:00 PM

When will we get smart and get rid of this comic book cop McCarthy what an asshole.take raccoon eye's back east also.

8/29/2013 12:40:00 PM

Makes sense, the city is too cheap to buy beat tags.

8/29/2013 01:08:00 PM

It will never happen because that would mean no catering to the animal, I mean democrat, and u know how thr machine loves to cater. Arentt we supposed to hsvd radio assignments coded out by the sam code and small paper stuff rdrouted to 311

8/29/2013 01:21:00 PM

There's three ways to do things, the right way, the wrong way, and the CPD way.

Isn't that the wrong way?

Yes, but faster.

8/29/2013 01:57:00 PM

I got less than a year to go so, BEAT THIS !

8/29/2013 01:58:00 PM

I think everybody is missing the real objective of this scam. The idea to this mess is to have Sgt's SPAR PO's for inactivity. In return the Sgt gets written up for not motivating the PO's under his/her supervision. I am a Sgt. I supervise different PO's all the time. The system described here makes it as some have said a TACT team. The Sgt knows all PO's and the PO's know the Sgt. The Sgt won't have any excuses as to why the PO has zero or little activity. The Sgt supervises that PO directly everyday. The Sgt only supervises the PO's in their DOG. The dept will need more Sgt's but less Lt's. The dept eliminates beat cars meaning you can change POs start times without notice. No PO assigned to a beat means no set start time. The Lt's and above have get a huge amount of responsibility taken away from them (no surprise). The weight of what goes on falls completely on the Sgts. This is the result of far to many POs doing Jack for the last decade and the Sgts letting them get away with it.

8/29/2013 08:39:00 AM

Once again, you are obligated to answer your calls and write the reports, make the arrests, etc. if need be. Any proactive bullshit is open to lawsuits and you don't have to do it. Policing isn't meant to be money generating, seat belt enforcement, tickets, parkers. Somewhere along the line it has changed for the politicians.

I love hearing the new guys criticize some old coppers about not doing shit. Yes, some of them are downright dogs that don't so shit, a lot of new guys are the same way too though. There are guys who hide behind the "I'm not required" excuse as a means of justifying their laziness, sure. But there's a difference between them and a copper who is a smart policemen. From experience has seen many coppers get jammed up or sued and the department left out in the wind.

I'm the fucking police. I didn't sign up for this job like to sit on a fucking stop sign on Monroe and Morgan. Writing taxpayers because I'm a fuckign coward. And there are plenty of them in 012. You know who you are. Coward sgt;s too who let them get away with it and hold personal grudges. Not everyone came straight out of the Academy to 012.

8/29/2013 03:02:00 PM

Where do i sign up? I still have a lien on my house, might as well get another....

8/29/2013 12:14:00 AM
................................................................................................ok dead beat

8/29/2013 03:32:00 PM

I call bullshit on this proposal. Never gonna happen!

8/29/2013 03:38:00 PM

GED will be in uniform starting 10th period.

8/29/2013 03:42:00 PM

You still answer calls people. The domestic arrest w/ hospital run, trr, and inventories will still take 5-6 hours. The system is broken.

8/29/2013 03:47:00 PM

FUCK OFF! with this dumb shit!

Never works on a beat car level because I just don't give a fuck!

This shitty city wants to fuck us on Retro to top it off!

No contract = ZERO ACTIVITY!

KMA

8/29/2013 03:55:00 PM

I am surprised the Department has not used the solution for manpower shortages in the 1980's. Reduce the number of Beats in each Sector. Fewer Beats=Fully Manned.

8/29/2013 04:49:00 AM

This has already been done in the 019 District! Wake the fuck up!

There is already one less Beat car per sector and we are still short and undermanned in 019 District! Some days especially on weekends, there are as much as six beat cars down on the 2nd watch!

This is unsafe and somebody gonna get killed out here and I ain't talking about the shitheads either!

8/29/2013 03:59:00 PM

The sad part of all of this bullshit is that idiots from the democratic machine are allowing people with no experience in police work to make decisions over the objections of police WITH experience.

When you disregard the experience and tradecraft that has been built up and passed on over generations and believe that you can replicate it on a computer program as Brett Godstein said he could do, you are going to end up with these horrible results on the street. Political hacks who were never the police and never had to put hands on thugs will never understand.

8/29/2013 04:00:00 PM

Hmm... When seconds count the Police are only a backlog away?

Could someone be nice enough to define D.O.G. for me?

Thanks,
NC

8/29/2013 04:00:00 PM

Give us the 10hour day!

8/29/2013 04:08:00 PM

Why not just post a list of all of the failed Policing strategies of the last 50 years?

That way, when McDrinky falls off his rapidly spinning bed with a "new strategy" on Monday mornings, we can loudly call bullshit - corner pocket and put a check mark next to it and wait for McDrinky to do the same thing the next week...

8/29/2013 04:26:00 PM

This will go over like a fart at a funeral.

8/29/2013 04:33:00 PM

Oh yeah? I have one better! In the near future, police departments will be completely disbanded do to cost, liability, pension, and an overwhelming majority of the public no longer supporting or wanting police in their community. Police will all be replaced by private security firms who will respond to crime and issue a summons to offenders if on scene, but no physical arrest will be made. If the offender fails to appear in court, a federal government apprehension team will make a physical arrest and hold the offender for court. POLICE IS EXTINCT! THAT IS WHAT THIS LIBERAL COUNTRY WANTS. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!!!!!!

8/29/2013 04:44:00 PM

If you have time on the job and an opening appears in the 004th district, do yourself a favor and pass on it unless you want to be treated like a 12yo PPO again! Or bring a box of crayons and a coloring book, you'll need it! There is no cafeteria, so have mommy pack you a lunch and dress warm.

8/29/2013 04:48:00 PM

Great! Then we can all swarm the district and hunt down broken taillights and seat belt violators, hardcore.....bro!

8/29/2013 04:50:00 PM

Cool then I can have guys with 2yrs on teach me how to hold down a sector....sweet....I'm gonna lock down my sector.....there's a new sheriff in your sector....bro!

8/29/2013 04:53:00 PM

you can slice a foot long loaf of bread into 2, 3, 4, 5,6 slices or more, but in the end it's still a foot long loaf of bread. Not much logical mentality in this at all. Basically just more smoke and mirrors. Sorry Boys,[and girls] I left a few years ago, and genuinely feel sorry for most of you, for being used as political tools and pawns, in the new, Socialist law Enforcement Regime of old, tired, failed ideas.

8/29/2013 05:00:00 PM

The squad concept was used successfully in the Mass Transit Unit in the 80's and 90's. Each squad had 8 to 10 PO's and the Sgt. On a daily basis 2 members of the squad were allowed to work in CD, although at times the entire squad was in CD. There were 4 squads under the direction of the WC who was a Lt. Squad 1 North, Squad 2 West, Squad 3 Loop, and Squad 4 South. The squads worked both fixed and mobile posts every day. All squads started the day on fixed posts in the Loop for the morning rush and returned to the fixed posts in the Loop at the two hours before the end of the tour. At times all the squads would be shifted to one area to address rising crime. Deployment was based on computer stats which were gathered by the Sgt's. It does work and would be effective in Englewood.

8/29/2013 05:30:00 PM

I know this is a little old but still funnier than hell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYRU6N4R9UU

Chicago's Roseland

0:38
You awn? You awn!
0:50
Don't bring yo ass around here, don't do it!
4:18
I'm outside, I'm alive!
4:27
You scared go to bed! Lol

8/29/2013 05:36:00 PM

It worked great in public housing. That is exactly how we were divided up. Might be worth a try.

8/29/2013 06:42:00 PM

Dumb question. Did anyone call FOP?

8/29/2013 06:45:00 PM

35th st on safe passage another week - there will be an opening there soon!

8/29/2013 06:58:00 PM

There was a person shot about 200 feet away from bass elementary today. Kids were out in the parking lot for recess when the shooting started. Kids hit the ground and were screaming and running in school and a "svip" was called at the school. post shooting Media everywhere, Leo out there bosses gmac etc.. But the funny thing is not a peep about it on the tribune or sun times website all day... Hmmmmm, is it because 60 feet to the west on Racine is a safe passage route??? I wonder ...

8/29/2013 07:02:00 PM

How is the female copper that was almost raped in 017 doing?

This is why you must carry at all times and be prepared to dispatch the animal at a moment's notice.

Nowhere is SAFE in Chicago!

8/29/2013 07:25:00 PM

I was at NATO and I think it's pathetic if any of us think we deserve a award for controlling a small amount of people, and making all that o.t.

8/29/2013 07:38:00 PM

Down Size some of these Units
For example Narcotics way too many PO's

8/29/2013 07:40:00 PM

OT Arbitrator Roummell just ruled in favor of the sergeants on filling in as DSS. The city will have to start cutting the checks.

8/29/2013 08:09:00 PM

sergeant will now be held accountable for lazy , out of uniform , out of sector officers .
police officer will get a reprimand , sgt will get a day off without pay . sergeants will no longer be your drinking buddy .
no more holding slips , come in late , leave early . party is over .

8/29/2013 08:12:00 PM

Anonymous said...
OT:

The thugs of Champaign Urbana welcome your sheep back to their wolfs lair.

http://www.news-gazette.com/mary-schenk/2013-08-29/urbana-teen-arrested-over-attack-ui-student.html

remind your kids to walk in pairs///

8/29/2013 12:08:00 PM

The offender(savage) is a M/2/19. A student at Parkland college. Don't fret he was only charged with reckless conduct.

8/29/2013 08:34:00 PM

With Shields defending our interests I am surprised that we are not all on foot patrol yet.

8/29/2013 09:06:00 PM

As a beat officer in the 25th district, I love working my beat. I love talking to the business owners, the people walking around and decent people who live on my beat. I am very proactive and take care of business on my beat. If the city as a whole goes with this brain dead idea then we are toast. The good areas will turn bad.

Thank you for what you do, nice to hear a positive comment for a change.

8/29/2013 09:20:00 PM

Policing isn't meant to be money generating, seat belt enforcement, tickets, parkers. Somewhere along the line it has changed for the politicians.


as a police officer your job is to enforce the law. Not just ones YOU want to enforce but all laws. Whether its a seatbelt, a parker, a domestic arrest, a quality of life arrest etc. That IS in your job description. It is also in your job description to do it correctly and follow your general orders. When you follow your general orders and do things properly you can still get sued, however you are not open to punitive damages as you are covered by qualified immunity which means that yes something may have gone wrong but you followed the directives of your dept so only the city is on the hook not you for punitive. Too many dogs who think they get to pick and choose what the job description is. Guess what, just writing reports is not your only job. Your job as a police officer is to enforce laws, ordinances, protect citizens yada yada yada. We get paid to do ALL of these things, not just some of them. Too many coppers think they are above doing traffic, parkers, domestics, anov's etc. you shouldnt be above it because its your job... your just lazy. I can work 99 on days or 10-4 on afternoons in 007, 011 or 008 with how busy they are and have NO problem and enough down time still to get a few parkers, a mover or two and definatly an anov. And all of the calls you get give you numerous amounts of opportunities to lock someone up. How is it that a guy in a beat car can go an entire year with only 3 arrests (yes, it happened in 008 last year)? I know for a fact, that someone can go to jail everyday just by getting calls for service alone. dogs, plain and simple. people who think they can choose what their job is...

8/29/2013 09:36:00 PM

Off topic, but didn't know where to put it...F/ODPO beaten on NWside jogging path, BrynMawr & RR tracks area....once one of the safest, most beautiful neighborhood on NW side!m/4/24-28, 5'8, buzzed hair.ODPO transported to hospital via CFD.This was approx. 1430 hrs...Her condition unk. but got in some scratches on ddudes face...no weapon involved...unfortunately for her. Ya know what I mean?! Obamians are the large percentage of voters there...How do you like it now dumbocrats?

8/29/2013 09:50:00 PM

Anonymous said...
Off topic: how does the department issue a NATO SERVICE AWARD to people not even deployed to NATO ? How does crossing guards get the NATO award and how does people on IOD extended medical and light duty get the NATO award ?? This Is a slap in the face to the people that were actually deployed from their district to NATO and to the bike officers that had urine thrown at them ! What a joke this city is !

8/29/2013 10:39:00 AM

You are correct, it sound like it should be the U.N. award.

8/29/2013 09:53:00 PM

Car 54 where are you?

8/29/2013 10:04:00 PM

New Topic:

Arbitrator has ruled Sergeants required to be DSS are entitled to Lieutenants pay.

8/29/2013 10:17:00 PM

012 has been fucked since we lost our Capts....
Hoot, Gibson and Carroll. No leadership, No morale, and the 012 and old 013 P.O.'s don't play well together.
Let the beatings continue....

8/29/2013 10:53:00 PM

>>>Anonymous said...
It's about time. "The Beat" is a concept that predates the radio. It is obsolete and inefficient.

The only ones who love "the beat" are the many lazy dogs on this job who do nothing on them.

8/29/2013 11:34:00 AM<<<

You are the lazy and ignorant dog and are probably a Rahm Troll and not a cop at all.

The BEAT is not a vehicle, not just a geographic location, it is a collection of people with all their problems.

A BEAT COP will gain experience and know the people. Know who the bad and the good are.

But you wouldn't know that would you.

8/29/2013 11:10:00 PM

Ok we can all relax, according to Bobby Rush, gangs are a figment of mc carthys and kirks imagination.
WOW now I heard it all.
So all this violence isn't real, it s just all of our imagination.
I'll tell you what isn't imagination and what's real, you are a moron.
These gang bangers must really get the vote out since you don't need any id to vote.

8/29/2013 11:13:00 PM

It seems to make sense to concentrate your police forces in the high crime areas. Low crime areas need very minimal police presence.

That approach ensures that crime will rise in "low crime" areas. Taxpayers don't deserve adequate police?

8/29/2013 11:31:00 PM

Anonymous said...
Off topic: how does the department issue a NATO SERVICE AWARD to people not even deployed to NATO ? How does crossing guards get the NATO award and how does people on IOD extended medical and light duty get the NATO award ?? This Is a slap in the face to the people that were actually deployed from their district to NATO and to the bike officers that had urine thrown at them ! What a joke this city is !

8/29/2013 10:39:00 AM

Did you just figure out that awards don't mean shit? If you fuck up they will have the paper done in 5 days, but if you do good you will be lucky to have it in your jacket in three years if at all. Go get your silly attendence ribbon while buring hundreds of $$$ of comp time when you are sick or come to work making everyone else sick to get your attendence ribbon. This has become one silly department.

8/29/2013 11:41:00 PM

"if there are no police around to take a report, statistically speaking, the crime did not occur."

True. Crime stats are based on crime reported to the police that are not unfounded by the detectives. Make it more difficult to make a report and fewer reports get made. Ergo, lower crime rates.

"The only number they can't fudge is a dead human being."

You can't be serious with that naive statement.

8/30/2013 12:01:00 AM

It will never happen because that would mean no catering to the animal, I mean democrat, and u know how thr machine loves to cater. Arentt we supposed to hsvd radio assignments coded out by the sam code and small paper stuff rdrouted to 311

8/30/2013 12:12:00 AM

It worked great in public housing. That is exactly how we were divided up. Might be worth a try

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8/30/2013 12:17:00 AM

Great. Now 10 of us have to agree on lunch?!?

8/30/2013 12:29:00 AM

>>>New Topic:

Arbitrator has ruled Sergeants required to be DSS are entitled to Lieutenants pay.

8/29/2013 10:17:00 PM<<<

Good for them, after all they are doing the job of a CAPTAIN!

It may mean more promotion opportunities; but McFuckeverything up will probably think of a way of screwing them out of that by changing a title or something. That is why he was brought to Chicago, as a hatchetman not because he is a crime fighting genius.

8/30/2013 12:31:00 AM

NATO award .....those guys that were deployed downtown get to put a star on the ribbon.

8/30/2013 03:03:00 AM

08/29/2013 09:36 PM"as a police officer your job is to enforce the laws, NOT just ones you want to enforce but all laws" Listen here you Barney Fife motherfucker. I don't fucking know how long you've been living with your head stuck up your ass or whether or not you are a policeman but let me inform you of one major flaw in your stupid argument in what you believe is a "policeman's job and responsibility". Show me where the fuck it says we have to enforce every law on the books. We have a thing called DISCRETION. always had it and always will have it. When they detail your stupid ass to the bud billiken parade and you see a group of shitheads drinking beer or violating a city ordinance by all means enforce those "laws" you speak of and do not use discretion and see if you get your ass beat for enforcing "THE LAW". When you stop a 89 year old lady on the street make sure and ticket her for not wearing her seat belt because "its the law" even if its your mother. When somebody walks up to you and tells you that their boyfriend or girlfriend pushed them or slapped them immediately arrest them because "its the law". What a complete idiot!

8/30/2013 03:15:00 AM

I am surprised the Department has not used the solution for manpower shortages in the 1980's. Reduce the number of Beats in each Sector. Fewer Beats=Fully Manned.

8/29/2013 04:49:00 AM

This has already been done in the 019 District! Wake the fuck up!

There is already one less Beat car per sector and we are still short and undermanned in 019 District! Some days especially on weekends, there are as much as six beat cars down on the 2nd watch!

This is unsafe and somebody gonna get killed out here and I ain't talking about the shitheads either!

8/29/2013 03:59:00 PM

Sorry to say but there were 7 cars down on monday, and then 1 of the 3 beat cars that was out there called for help and then all hell broke loose which resulted in 2 of the 3 officers that were on the street between 0615 and 0745 getting injured. The commander of the 019 district doesnt have a clue. Take the 7 officers out of the caps office please and put them on the street please but not the one that was MIA last week where he had parked his unmarked squad at the lake and was on a boat drinking for for hours and the 3rd watch Sgt L.G covered it up we all know about this and it will not end till this drunk is sent to 376

8/30/2013 04:55:00 AM

excuse me, but don't they already have the rapid response cars up

8/30/2013 05:02:00 AM

It's about time. "The Beat" is a concept that predates the radio. It is obsolete and inefficient.

The only ones who love "the beat" are the many lazy dogs on this job who do nothing on them.

8/29/2013 11:34:00 AM

The citizens who have beat cops who know the bad guys and give a crap about putting them behind bars love the beat system too!
***********
012 has been fucked since we lost our Capts....
Hoot, Gibson and Carroll. No leadership, No morale, and the 012 and old 013 P.O.'s don't play well together.
Let the beatings continue....

8/29/2013 10:53:00 PM
At least you have a great Commander who hasn't forgotten what it takes to be a cop. If this is true, it's being tested in 012 because McCarthy is afraid of losing his spot to her as Tiny Dancer likes her and can get rid of him as he knows he has a competent, street smart cop to replace him.

8/30/2013 05:31:00 AM

Is it true they want to privatize the forensic unit?

8/29/2013 08:28:00 AM
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Now THAT is interesting.

Who is qualified or will it be something to send to some "minority firm"?

I can just see this happening.

They'll be sending it to:

Uncle Willy's Southside Investigations

or maybe ---

Lucky Chan's Chinatown Forensics & Fortune Cookie Factory

or maybe ---

Sabu's Forensics Emporium (with a big stuffed elephant in front)

8/30/2013 05:43:00 AM

That IS in your job description.

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Wow. There's an official job description for this job? Who knew? Where is it? I must have missed it.

8/30/2013 05:44:00 AM

If this is what New York does, then that is what we will be doing.

8/30/2013 06:43:00 AM

012 has been fucked since we lost our Capts....
Hoot, Gibson and Carroll. No leadership, No morale, and the 012 and old 013 P.O.'s don't play well together.
Let the beatings continue....

8/29/2013 10:53:00 PM

Same in 19/23. We feel your misery.....

8/30/2013 06:44:00 AM

Anonymous said...
>>>Anonymous said...
It's about time. "The Beat" is a concept that predates the radio. It is obsolete and inefficient.

The only ones who love "the beat" are the many lazy dogs on this job who do nothing on them.

8/29/2013 11:34:00 AM<<<

You are the lazy and ignorant dog and are probably a Rahm Troll and not a cop at all.

The BEAT is not a vehicle, not just a geographic location, it is a collection of people with all their problems.

A BEAT COP will gain experience and know the people. Know who the bad and the good are.

But you wouldn't know that would you.

8/29/2013 11:10:00 PM

Well said. A beat cop knows who the jagoffs are on his beat and who the good folks are. A beat cop knows that when the SSI checks arrive which house(s) will have domestics because the family calls for the wagon to take the mental to the hospital;so they can spend the check freely.A beat cop knows the people on his beat that will cooperate with the police as long as they're not fronted by some idiot that will ring their doorbell while the knuckleheads are standing out front. Those are some of the things a beat cop knows. Learn the job.

8/30/2013 08:15:00 AM

Mission Scum said...
Off topic, but didn't know where to put it...F/ODPO beaten on NWside jogging path, BrynMawr & RR tracks area....once one of the safest, most beautiful neighborhood on NW side!m/4/24-28, 5'8, buzzed hair.ODPO transported to hospital via CFD.This was approx. 1430 hrs...Her condition unk. but got in some scratches on ddudes face...no weapon involved...unfortunately for her. Ya know what I mean?! Obamians are the large percentage of voters there...How do you like it now dumbocrats?

8/29/2013 09:50:00 PM

A sister in blue has been attacked and you finish up with a rant about Obama! You're a POS! GFY!

8/30/2013 08:18:00 AM