Tue Oct 18 10:39am EDT
After insisting that he would not trade quarterback Carson Palmer(notes) under any circumstances, even after Palmer threatened to retire rather than play for the his team, Cincinnati Bengals owner Mike Brown was finally ready to bend on that issue at the 11th hour. According to a Tuesday report by Fox Sports' Jay Glazer, Brown had been talking with the Oakland Raiders about a trade that would send Palmer to the Raiders for a first-round draft pick in 2012 and a conditional first-round pick in 2013. If the Raiders win a playoff game in the 2011 season, the Bengals will get a first-rounder in 2013; it will be a second-round pick if they don't.
The trade was confirmed by ESPN's Chris Mortensen, and it will happen just before the 1 p.m. PT trade deadline. According to Peter King of Sports Illustrated, Palmer is in the Bay Area getting the physical that will seal the deal.
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On Tuesday morning, Shutdown Corner spoke with Travelle Gaines of Athletes Performance in Carson, Calif., where Palmer has been working out for months. As it turns out, Gaines — who also works with the Raiders in an advisory capacity — was the man the Raiders leaned on to find out what kind of football shape Palmer was in. "He looks great — he's been throwing every day, and working with Ken O'Brien, the quarterbacks coach," Gaines said. "He's been throwing to his good buddy T.J. Houshmandzadeh(notes), working with Terrell Owens(notes) and Hank Baskett(notes). He looks great. I think he'll be ready to go and step right in for the Raiders. He and Coach Jackson have worked together in the past, and they have a great relationship."
Gaines has built up one of the more impressive NFL clienteles as a conditioning coach over the years, and the Raiders asked him to join their staff to play a similar role in the 2011 offseason. That paid dividends when the team starting doing due diligence on Palmer's ability … and availability. "Coach Jackson leaned on me heavily through this process, and they definitely kept tabs on him," Gaines said of Palmer.
The deal makes Oakland's 2012 draft very interesting — not only did they give up their 2012 third-rounder when they selected Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor(notes) in the 2011 supplemental draft, but they will also have traded away their first-round, second-round, fourth-round, and seventh-round picks for 2012 in various other deals. The second-rounder left in a draft weekend trade with the New England Patriots, the fourth-rounder was for Jason Campbell(notes), and the seventh-rounder was for former Seattle Seahawks linebacker Aaron Curry(notes). Add in the third-rounder sacrificed for Pryor, and the Raiders might as well go fishing next April.
Of course, that's not entirely true -- they'll get compensatory picks for losing veterans like Nnamdi Asomugha(notes), Zach Miller, and Robert Gallery(notes) -- but it's obvious that the 4-2 Raiders, who are currently in second place behind the San Diego Chargers in the AFC West, are going all out to win in a 2011 season that has been marked by the loss of Al Davis.
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The Raiders were desperate for a quarterback after losing Jason Campbell to a broken collarbone and finding out that former Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback David Garrard(notes), who the team was looking at in the wake of Campbell's injury, needs surgery of his own to repair a herniated disc in his back.
According to Glazer, the close relationship between Brown current Hue Jackson was the tiebreaker that sent Brown on a different path — Jackson was the Bengals' receivers coach from 2004 through 2006.
Still, it's a big move for the notoriously stubborn Brown, who will take grudges over value whenever he feels like it; we remember when the Vinny Cerrato-era Washington Redskins offered him two first-round picks for Chad Ochocinco(notes), only to be rebuffed.
"Carson signed a contract, he made a commitment," Brown said of the situation in late July. "He gave us his word. We relied on his word and his commitment. We expected him to perform here. If he is going to walk away from his commitment we aren't going to reward him for doing it."
It's also possible that Brown never expected to receive a first-round pick and more from any team. Although Palmer ranked decently in Football Outsiders' DVOA and DYAR metrics in 2010, the Bengals had no qualms about drafting TCU quarterback Andy Dalton(notes) and moving forward with the rookie under center. They're 4-2 with Dalton's efforts, the great productivity of rookie wideout A.J. Green(notes), and one of the best defenses in the league. It could be that Brown, sitting in the catbird seat as he is, took a rare shot at recognizing when another team was overvaluing one of his assets.
There's also the matter of Palmer's contract, which would ostensibly revert entirely to the Raiders. Right now, in the contract extension that runs through 2014, Palmer is due base salaries of $11.5 million in 2011 (more like $6.9 million prorated for 2011) and 2012. Oakland's front office will certainly work to reduce those numbers going forward in some kind of restructure, which could be why the trade wasn't consummated more quickly. The Raiders are currently about $6 million under the salary cap.
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raiders = winning!!
the resurection of CP is begining, its what the Raiders are famous for..... welcome back to Cali senor Palmer.
I guess Mr. Brown is to rich/stupid to realize that a grudge only hurts the person that holds it!!
Obviously Carson has done well with his money and in reality does not need football, that's why he retired instead of playing for Cincy!!! The Bengals are bottom dwellers, always have been and always will as long as Mr. Brown is in charge...
Sounds nice in theory Josh but Denver would NEVER have done that deal. And the advantage to Carson is him and Hue have a relationship so the adjustment should go nicely!
I am sure Carson Palmer would have wanted to stay in Cincinnati if Bengals fans did not put all the blame on him and trash his lawn.
It's a great deal for Carson. He'a a California guy, leaves a team and franchise that's been a mess since the Boomer days. Likewise the Raiders have been a mess, but at least he's closer to home. Why all the hate? The Bengals get more draft picks to waste and the Raiders get yet another QB who is competent, but not a permamant solution. The Raiders remind me of a temp agency and the Bengals the last gas station before your final destination...
The Raiders are bailing out the Bengals by taking a washed up QB, and they are paying for it with 2 first rounders...holy cow did the Bengals bend the Raiders over.
Just hope Carson does not get boooooed in Oakland. He might just retire again!
P.S. When you decide to throw trash on his front yard make sure it's recyclable.
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Seriously?! My seahawks could have made a similair trade like this for palmer at the beginning of the year but the jerk off owner brown of the bengals wanted to 'stick to his guns' and not grant a trade...well what the f@## happpened mr brown?!! Finally take enough crap from everyone screaming for a trade to get SOMETHING out of him to finally wise up?! Mike brown for worst owner of the league, and the raiders are retarded if they give 2 first round picks for qb on the downside of his career!
As a Chiefs fan, this sucks. Palmer is a decent QB, hands down better than Campbell, it just seems a little steep for Palmer. He has a cannon arm and is pretty nimble in the pocket, but he wasn't a superstar even when he had OC and Owens. I guess we will see how this plays out.
Thank you Doug for writing relevant news for once unlike that butt snorkeler Chris Chase
Palmer was tired of chad and needed change, good luck in Oakland. I think he can make a difference for Oakland.
Moronic GM Brown got lucky that someone was still offering what he SHOULD have gotten for Palmer when he made his threat to not return. Whats on the field was only half of Cincy's problem, Brown's petulant management is still looming as the other half. Good trade for both teams.
Big gamble by the Raiders, but it had to be done! They shoulda tried to put more pressure on the Bengals to accept less, being that Palmer wasn't going to play for them. If he has anything left and the Raiders can protect him, i can se the Raiders fighting the Chargers for the AFC West crown, and possibly making the palyoffs! If he's just been sitting around growing his beard, the Raiders won't make the palyoffs. We'll see!
I guess we know who has the bigger one now.
Anyone else dying to see an Oakland-Cincinnati playoff game now?
Excellent news for a die hard Raiders fan! Terrelle Pryor represents the future and it looks like he is a smart kid. JC is gone for at least 6 weeks. Regardless how Kyle will do this coming Sunday, we need backup and Carson is definitely a great choice. JC's contract will be over after this season. Carson's current contract with the Cin will be over in 2014. I have no problem trading the first round draft for Carson since first round draft is over rated. Remember you know who we picked up for our first round draft QB a few years ago? However, I am concern with Carson's salary...
welp. they are finished now. With that scrub as their QB
This is a great move for the Raiders. The draft pick situation is not as bad as is being reported... they will get two compensatory picks in the third round in 2012 for Nnamdi and Robert Gallery so, again it's a great move. As a Raiders fan I (and sorry to say it) but I never really thought Campbell could the Raiders to the Superbowl. Something else to consider: Palmer was disgruntled with the Bengals and will feel like he has something to prove. Night, night Chargers... your window is now officially closed.
There are two reasons why the Raiders have a winning record.
1. They have played a WEAK schedule.
2. They are in the AFC West. I guess that is the same as #1
Palmer has not been the same sine he broke his leg in the playoffs. Plus now his arm is weak. I don't see him as any betther than what is already there. Definately not worth a 1st and a 2nd round pick (it is a pipe dream for the Radiers to win a playoff game)
My prediction is that the Raiders go 8-8 and miss the playoffs. The only remianing wins they will get are KC, Denver, Miami, and Minnesota.
I am a Raider fan, and I do NOT like this move. My gut instinct.
i thought the trade dealine was at 4?
Carson sucks..he's not nearly as good as he thinks he is.
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