PC industry's woes could mean bargains this fall

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SAN FRANCISCO – If you're looking for bargains on personal computers, bad news from the industry could be good for your pocketbook.

Computer makers are scrambling for ways to goose faltering consumer demand after a weak start to the back-to-school shopping season. That could mean deeper price cuts and other promotions beyond the incentives that the industry dangled in front of shoppers to lure them into stores during the worst of the recession.

The latest sign of trouble came Friday when Intel Corp. lowered its forecast for the third quarter, saying demand for consumer PCs has been weaker than expected.

Because Intel's microprocessors are used in 80 percent of the world's PCs, its forecast essentially speaks for the health of the entire PC industry. Plus, its orders are based on how many computers the world's biggest PC makers expect to make in the coming months, so weak chip sales now could foreshadow weak results to come from those manufacturers.

Even before Intel announced the latest trouble, two leading PC makers — Hewlett-Packard Co. and Dell Inc. — raised red flags last week about what is normally a robust season for sales.

Dell's chief financial officer, Brian Gladden, called the back-to-school shopping season "a little weaker than we would have expected." Todd Bradley, head of HP's PC division, complained of "softness" in consumer laptops and said back-to-school shopping was off to a late start.

Barclays Capital analyst Ben Reitzes said another factor could cause PC makers to cut prices: In the past few months, the prices for parts such as hard disk drives and memory have fallen — to their lowest levels of the year in August. That gives PC makers the freedom to lower prices while maintaining profit margins.

"This component environment could potentially now allow companies to invest in more aggressive pricing to stimulate demand into next year," he wrote in a research note Friday.

Intel said it now expects revenue of $10.8 billion to $11.2 billion for the fiscal third quarter, which ends in September. That compares with a previous forecast of $11.2 billion to $12 billion. On average, analysts surveyed by Thomson Reuters had expected $11.5 billion.

Three-quarters of Intel's revenue comes from its chips and other technologies for PCs. The forecast cut means that PC makers suddenly scaled back or canceled their orders with Intel during the quarter, reflecting the lower demand they're bracing for in the coming months.

PCs already have low profit margins, and the recession squeezed them further by forcing price cuts to entice shoppers. The strategy worked, but dipping demand could mean that prices will fall even more.

Reitzes said the computer maker with the biggest potential for revenue growth in this market is Apple Inc., whose iPad is seen eating into laptop sales. PC makers such as HP, Dell and others, he said, face a different question in needing to balance aggressive pricing with generating profits.

Consumer spending on discounted computers was instrumental in helping buoy the industry over the past two years, while businesses cut way back.

That trend is now reversing.

Consumers aren't spending on technology as freely as they were. Uncertainty about jobs is keeping their spending in check.

Meanwhile, businesses have freed their budgets a bit. It's not necessarily because they're more sanguine about their prospects. Upgrading technology makes financial sense: Maintaining old machines can be more expensive than buying new ones with more features.

But there are signs business spending is rocky as well.

John Chambers, CEO of Cisco Systems Inc., the world's largest maker of computer networking gear and another important barometer of technology spending, said in early August that the company was seeing signs that the global economic recovery is slowing down. He said Cisco is getting "a large number of mixed signals" from customers about their spending plans.

Intel's warning comes a month after the company reported its biggest quarterly profit in a decade.

But those results were fueled by a rebound in technology spending at corporations, many of which held off replacing older computers during the recession.

Intel's downgrade to its guidance wasn't entirely a surprise. Many investors simply didn't believe that Intel would be able to hit the higher numbers because of signals from other PC-industry suppliers that PC sales were collapsing.

Those fears were the main reason why Intel's stock has fallen about 13 percent since Intel issued its original guidance on July 13. The fall erased about $16 billion in shareholder wealth through Thursday's close.

After the company released its revised outlook, the company's shares rose 19 cents, or 1 percent, to close Friday at $18.37, amid a general lift on Wall Street.

Analyst Craig Berger with FBR Capital Markets said that PCs might be "just the first shoe to drop," and that troubles could spread to other chip-makers, such as those that focus on communications, industrial and automotive sectors. He added that Intel's main rival, Advanced Micro Devices Inc., is also likely being hurt.

Intel is scheduled to report results on Oct. 12 and plans to update its fourth-quarter and full-year outlook then.

The company has benefited from a recovering PC market for about a year and half. In April 2009, Intel CEO Paul Otellini proclaimed that PC sales "bottomed out" and had started recovering — a forecast that even the major PC makers wouldn't immediately get behind, but proved to be true.

Now, it appears the market is starting to dip again.

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AP Business Writer Andrew Vanacore contributed to this story from New York.

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    Gulf Coast Alan 1 hour ago Report Abuse
    I first learned to type on a manual typewriter, then an electric, then a desktop keyboard, then a laptop, and now I have to learn to type on a keyboard half the size of a pack of cigarettes using only my thumbs. One conspicuous absence in all this is that keyboards no longer have the cents sign, the c with the vertical line through it. .Gone. Poof. Disappeared. All of which goes to show that all of these new gadgets no longer make cents.
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    Kenneth 1 hour ago Report Abuse
    Most people have no idea how much of the price of a retail PC is operating system and bundled software licensing. On basic retail computers the OS and software on the machine actually costs as much if not somewhat more than the hardware it's running on.

    There is a way out: build your own computer and run open source! I did several years ago and put Linux on it and haven't looked back. I put about $375 into my hardware and nothing into the operating system and software. I use it for everything from web surfing to online video and gaming to office work, audio and video recording, editing, and transcoding. It handles HD just fine.

    This path isn't for everyone, but for those who can take it, it's great.
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    WANDERING SPIRIT 1 hour ago Report Abuse
    give me a good refurbished pc and i just put a linux distro on it.sweet.no need for this cowboy to blow 100 dollars on a "super computer"
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    geo l 1 hour ago Report Abuse
    Which is a better/faster cpu 2.20 GHz AMD V Series V120 single-core or Intel Celeron Processor 900?
    Celeron has 1MB L2, AMD has 512K mean much? I intend to add memory to make 4GB with what ever laptop I choose.

    These laptops both have about 250GB 5400 HD and both puters have nvidia 4200 cards.

    Yeah I know these are old components but my needs are just email, surfing, limited downloading, dvd playback, no use for hd, hdmi, or blu-ray for me.

    The other difference I can tell is that one screen is back lit and the other is not---I don't know what back lit means anyway.

    Thanks,
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    GeoffK 1 hour ago Report Abuse
    People are looking for bargains and lower prices, that is good. But in this economy the lowered prices mean people are more then likely to lose their jobs, that is bad. The problem with any business is when people get fired for a bad economy because prices have to be lowered to move the product. While low prices may be good for us, it may not always be good for those who manufacture the item.
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    Herfeetshake 3 hours ago Report Abuse
    When I can get a decent *new* gaming PC or laptop for 1/2 of last month's price I'll buy it,,if it has to be in the form of parts then I'll buy and build it but it has to be 1/3 the price then. Wait for drastic reductions before you buy,small reductions are only meant to hook you and make the sellers wealthy. If consumers force the price down then they will have to start all over to build them back up,,,,,good!
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    Deb don 3 hours ago Report Abuse
    If they would come down on their prices, I'm sure more people would be able to afford computers. With the market full of used and re-conditioned ones, why buy a new computer?
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    shawnj 3 hours ago Report Abuse
    still running a 7 year old pc with not too many issues outside of 1080p playback stutter. I usually run 40+ webpages @ a time and 3-4 light programs. Good to hear the news as Ive had my eye on the 4 way sli vga classified mobo for a while and 700$ just for a motherboard was asking a bit much.
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    happy 3 hours ago Report Abuse
    Thanks to president Obama, many things are cheap and easy to get. But what good is that when only the gainfully unemployed can afford them? And for how long?
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    Sparky 4 hours ago Report Abuse
    Well all these new Smartphones have also hurt the pc. Why buy something that is tied down even laptops are hurting.

    But these supper high prices for processors is what is killing them in the competition.
    It is all about the money. Drop some greed lower the prices and survive.

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