Tue Oct 18 10:39am EDT
After insisting that he would not trade quarterback Carson Palmer(notes) under any circumstances, even after Palmer threatened to retire rather than play for the his team, Cincinnati Bengals owner Mike Brown was finally ready to bend on that issue at the 11th hour. According to a Tuesday report by Fox Sports' Jay Glazer, Brown had been talking with the Oakland Raiders about a trade that would send Palmer to the Raiders for a first-round draft pick in 2012 and a conditional first-round pick in 2013. If the Raiders win a playoff game in the 2011 season, the Bengals will get a first-rounder in 2013; it will be a second-round pick if they don't.
The trade was confirmed by ESPN's Chris Mortensen, and it will happen just before the 1 p.m. PT trade deadline. According to Peter King of Sports Illustrated, Palmer is in the Bay Area getting the physical that will seal the deal.
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On Tuesday morning, Shutdown Corner spoke with Travelle Gaines of Athletes Performance in Carson, Calif., where Palmer has been working out for months. As it turns out, Gaines — who also works with the Raiders in an advisory capacity — was the man the Raiders leaned on to find out what kind of football shape Palmer was in. "He looks great — he's been throwing every day, and working with Ken O'Brien, the quarterbacks coach," Gaines said. "He's been throwing to his good buddy T.J. Houshmandzadeh(notes), working with Terrell Owens(notes) and Hank Baskett(notes). He looks great. I think he'll be ready to go and step right in for the Raiders. He and Coach Jackson have worked together in the past, and they have a great relationship."
Gaines has built up one of the more impressive NFL clienteles as a conditioning coach over the years, and the Raiders asked him to join their staff to play a similar role in the 2011 offseason. That paid dividends when the team starting doing due diligence on Palmer's ability … and availability. "Coach Jackson leaned on me heavily through this process, and they definitely kept tabs on him," Gaines said of Palmer.
The deal makes Oakland's 2012 draft very interesting — not only did they give up their 2012 third-rounder when they selected Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor(notes) in the 2011 supplemental draft, but they will also have traded away their first-round, second-round, fourth-round, and seventh-round picks for 2012 in various other deals. The second-rounder left in a draft weekend trade with the New England Patriots, the fourth-rounder was for Jason Campbell(notes), and the seventh-rounder was for former Seattle Seahawks linebacker Aaron Curry(notes). Add in the third-rounder sacrificed for Pryor, and the Raiders might as well go fishing next April.
Of course, that's not entirely true -- they'll get compensatory picks for losing veterans like Nnamdi Asomugha(notes), Zach Miller, and Robert Gallery(notes) -- but it's obvious that the 4-2 Raiders, who are currently in second place behind the San Diego Chargers in the AFC West, are going all out to win in a 2011 season that has been marked by the loss of Al Davis.
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The Raiders were desperate for a quarterback after losing Jason Campbell to a broken collarbone and finding out that former Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback David Garrard(notes), who the team was looking at in the wake of Campbell's injury, needs surgery of his own to repair a herniated disc in his back.
According to Glazer, the close relationship between Brown current Hue Jackson was the tiebreaker that sent Brown on a different path — Jackson was the Bengals' receivers coach from 2004 through 2006.
Still, it's a big move for the notoriously stubborn Brown, who will take grudges over value whenever he feels like it; we remember when the Vinny Cerrato-era Washington Redskins offered him two first-round picks for Chad Ochocinco(notes), only to be rebuffed.
"Carson signed a contract, he made a commitment," Brown said of the situation in late July. "He gave us his word. We relied on his word and his commitment. We expected him to perform here. If he is going to walk away from his commitment we aren't going to reward him for doing it."
It's also possible that Brown never expected to receive a first-round pick and more from any team. Although Palmer ranked decently in Football Outsiders' DVOA and DYAR metrics in 2010, the Bengals had no qualms about drafting TCU quarterback Andy Dalton(notes) and moving forward with the rookie under center. They're 4-2 with Dalton's efforts, the great productivity of rookie wideout A.J. Green(notes), and one of the best defenses in the league. It could be that Brown, sitting in the catbird seat as he is, took a rare shot at recognizing when another team was overvaluing one of his assets.
There's also the matter of Palmer's contract, which would ostensibly revert entirely to the Raiders. Right now, in the contract extension that runs through 2014, Palmer is due base salaries of $11.5 million in 2011 (more like $6.9 million prorated for 2011) and 2012. Oakland's front office will certainly work to reduce those numbers going forward in some kind of restructure, which could be why the trade wasn't consummated more quickly. The Raiders are currently about $6 million under the salary cap.
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Although it was becoming increasingly clearly that Campbell isn't "the guy" to take us to the next level, the price we're paying for Palmer is way too steep. If he were younger with a few less miles on him, maybe. But given his age, decline in productivity, and injury history, this is a deal that could very set the organization back years.
Good luck with this one Hue...playoffs or bust!
to all the haters out there. The Raiders have a long history of rejuvenating careers such as Palmers.
remember when everybody laughed about Plunkett. or Gannon
RIP Al Davis
long live the Raider Nation !!!!
Yeah Carson isn't a Ginger, he has blonde hair, been a bengals fan for years and always liked Carson, I'm glad he's able to play again. Bengals 4-2! I think both Bengals and Raiders will make playoffs this year.
not that exicited about the trade, but i do trust the instincts of coach huey. they gave up a lot, but all 1st round picks work out...i.e jamarcus russell. the raiders will always be able get good players in late rounds or free agents. this team, in many ways, is a young team. so you have to live in the moment and just go for it. so raiders continue to build a bully!
well i'll be a monkey's uncle,lol!!
they actully swung the deal afterall. amazing move by the raiders. this automatically makes em a very serious threat for the rest of the season. if carson can get the playbook down fast enuff,they will make sum serious noise in that division and possibly a good run in the post season.
congrats raider fans,u got a legit QB :)
but 2 first rounders......this better payoff or............
No, Gaines' comments -- and likely his advice to Oakland -- aren't self-serving at ALL. Gee, you mean a guy who is working out a player might recommend him to a team he serves in "an advisory capacity"?!?!?! Really?
Somehow, this could turn into the most amazing story in this year's wild season. Palmer can become the team's new clutch player in a sort of Testeverde way. I hope he does well and helps this team get to the finals. AL lives!
Oakland gave up way too much. Palmer is worth a 2nd round pick tops
With the passing of AL Davis..... Things are flying around in Oakland..... Even a relocation back to LA..... This could be a interesting Season..... We will miss AL but there is a different approach in Oakland..... It seem like all options are on the table....
raiders = winning!!
the resurection of CP is begining, its what the Raiders are famous for..... welcome back to Cali senor Palmer.
I guess Mr. Brown is to rich/stupid to realize that a grudge only hurts the person that holds it!!
Obviously Carson has done well with his money and in reality does not need football, that's why he retired instead of playing for Cincy!!! The Bengals are bottom dwellers, always have been and always will as long as Mr. Brown is in charge...
Sounds nice in theory Josh but Denver would NEVER have done that deal. And the advantage to Carson is him and Hue have a relationship so the adjustment should go nicely!
I am sure Carson Palmer would have wanted to stay in Cincinnati if Bengals fans did not put all the blame on him and trash his lawn.
It's a great deal for Carson. He'a a California guy, leaves a team and franchise that's been a mess since the Boomer days. Likewise the Raiders have been a mess, but at least he's closer to home. Why all the hate? The Bengals get more draft picks to waste and the Raiders get yet another QB who is competent, but not a permamant solution. The Raiders remind me of a temp agency and the Bengals the last gas station before your final destination...
The Raiders are bailing out the Bengals by taking a washed up QB, and they are paying for it with 2 first rounders...holy cow did the Bengals bend the Raiders over.
Just hope Carson does not get boooooed in Oakland. He might just retire again!
P.S. When you decide to throw trash on his front yard make sure it's recyclable.
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Seriously?! My seahawks could have made a similair trade like this for palmer at the beginning of the year but the jerk off owner brown of the bengals wanted to 'stick to his guns' and not grant a trade...well what the f@## happpened mr brown?!! Finally take enough crap from everyone screaming for a trade to get SOMETHING out of him to finally wise up?! Mike brown for worst owner of the league, and the raiders are retarded if they give 2 first round picks for qb on the downside of his career!
As a Chiefs fan, this sucks. Palmer is a decent QB, hands down better than Campbell, it just seems a little steep for Palmer. He has a cannon arm and is pretty nimble in the pocket, but he wasn't a superstar even when he had OC and Owens. I guess we will see how this plays out.
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