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Netflix spooks Hollywood more than ever

The name of the game in Hollywood right now is to spark ownership of digital movies, and Netflix's streaming rental service undermines that strategy. Moreover, Netflix may be hurting the major studios in ways that few expected.

LOS ANGELES--Hollywood film executives want you to know that they are not at war with Netflix or the Internet.

(Credit: Greg Sandoval/CNET)

Some of them told me over the past week that they have every intention to continue to distribute films and TV shows over the Web and at attractive prices to boot. They plan to provide viewers with a multitude of ways to access Internet content: on Web-connected handhelds and TVs, video game consoles, and iPads.

Only, don't ask them to do all this at the expense of the long-term health of their business. The general feeling with the studio executives I spoke with is that they cannot and will not throw in with Netflix and imperil other more lucrative revenue streams, such as pay TV or traditional broadcast services. They don't believe it is a forgone conclusion the Internet will become the dominant means of video distribution or that Netflix has already conquered the category.

The winds have once again changed direction in Hollywood. At a time when Netflix, the Web's top video-rental service, continues to report big growth in the number of subscribers and revenue, more and more studio decision makers are concluding that Netflix represents a serious threat if not kept in check.

On previous trips to Hollywood over the past two years, most of the studio executives I spoke with seemed to have a love-hate attitude towards Netflix. Many said they wanted to wait and see how Netflix's streaming service fared. Some were skeptical that the service could ever draw a large audience without hit films and shows, which they doubted Netflix could afford. At the same time, even Netflix's biggest critics at the studios were glad to have the company help bid up prices for content.

But since then, Netflix has proven it can acquire both sought-after content as well as a large audience. Netflix's rapid rise stunned many at the studios and now even former supporters there are wary of Netflix's growing influence. To make matters worse, Netflix is having some unanticipated impacts on the studio's businesses. Here are a few of the reasons why some film-industry execs said Netflix is raising red flags:

•  Netflix siphons off sales from other important areas, such as the airlines. Since more airlines are offering in-flight Internet access, a Netflix account means that movies may be less valuable to the carriers.

• There is evidence that Netflix's streaming service discourages users from purchasing newly released DVDs. The studios see indications that for even hit films, which likely won't appear on Netflix's streaming service for years, some Netflix subscribers are satisfied to wait until they do.

•  Films offered on Netflix lose value rapidly. Some cable and traditional broadcasters won't go near a title once Netflix begins streaming it. Netflix takes the scarcity out of the equation, one film industry insider said. People can watch any of the service's commercial-free films and shows anytime they want.

The prevailing feeling among the studio managers I spoke with is that Netflix's streaming service will be a good outlet for the least-valuable material. If they have their way, Netflix will be the Internet equivalent of a swap meet, where only the most dated and least popular titles are available. The studios are betting that eventually people will get bored with the service.

Netflix as disruptor
All this hand wringing about Netflix can be traced to the company's recent success. Netflix streaming has become too big too fast. The video-rental service, founded in 1997, surpassed the 20 million-subscriber mark in the quarter ended December 31. That represents a 66 percent jump in subscribers from the 12 million the company possessed a year before.

The service is also out to a big lead when it comes to building an online distribution network. Netflix is available on more than 200 Internet-enabled devices and platforms, including Xbox, PlayStation 3 and iTunes.

The studios don't want to see any service running away with Internet distribution and accumulating the kind of power that could enable it to one day dictate terms. That's how iTunes dominated the music industry during the past decade.

The Hollywood executives I spoke with said they have nothing but the highest regard for the abilities of Netflix CEO Reed Hastings and his management team. Indeed, perhaps Hastings should be flattered by the roadblocks Hollywood is building for his company. The film studios and TV networks have already watched his management team grind other distribution powerhouses into dust. In the past two years, rental chains Blockbuster and Movie Gallery have each filed for bankruptcy protection.

The studios don't want to help a discounter like Netflix do the same to cable.

But at this point, you might be saying to yourself, "Too late." Consumers want to watch what they want when they want and they want it all cheap. Web services like Netflix provide that. What could big media companies possibly come up with that matches the value Netflix offers?

Collecting DVDs
For starters, the studios want to foster more competition. To do this, Hollywood is counting on UltraViolet, the name given to a set of technology standards that will enable consumers to play digital video across a large range of devices and platforms--just like the DVD can. The standards will also enable services to come along and offer consumers a way to store their digital media on their servers. The film industry wants to see new business models grow out of UltraViolet.

The studios don't want to say goodbye just yet to physical discs but it's important to remember what their goals are and why Netflix may not fit into their plans.

Studio chiefs are eager to get consumers buying and collecting movies again. The home-video category is in decline. Disc sales are tumbling every quarter. One exec told me that 30 to 50 percent of DVDs are still in their original shrink wrap.

There are lots of different theories about why consumers have stopped collecting DVDs. Eric Garland, CEO of Big Champagne, a company that tracks digital-media consumption, says that the huge growth in disc sales was driven by the public's temporary gee-whiz reaction to what was then a nifty new technology.

"The medium was creating this false impression that we had a real need to curate libraries of films," Garland said. "People built film libraries because they had never been able to own movies before. Even then, most of the movies only got watched once."

The DVD helped the film industry generate huge profits for years and that's why the stakes are very high. "If we find out that people won't collect feature films anymore," Garland said, "than the business as we know it is broken beyond repair."

Netflix's streaming service, of course, provides an excellent alternative to buying movies. If Hollywood is serious about freezing the company out when it comes to popular shows and films, then it will be interesting to see whether Netflix can keep up its white-hot subscriber growth.

Keeping score will be easy. For starters, just log on to Netflix's streaming service and decide whether there's anything worth watching.

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It boggles my mind that the studios see a successful business model that can easily due better than other models, yet they want to stick to business models that are dated. Netflix isn't hurting these studios. They're hurting themselves by not keeping with the times. Being afraid of cannibalizing outdated market niches in favor of new markets that are shown to be successful is dumb and frankly, I'm surprised that these guys still get to run these companies.

The movie and music studios are running themselves into the ground all the while narrating they're own bad decisions and they're surprised it's happening. They can't tell how to run a business even when multiple individuals are doing it right in front of them.
Posted by pjhenry1216 (845 comments )
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Another factor in their decline is that there is little content worth collecting these days. Perhaps if the big studios stopped cranking out cookie cutter movies they will see people starting to buy them again.

On top of that the movie studios still can't seem to understand that people want value for their money and so they keep the price high enough that most people just wait for it to appear on TV or Netflix...
Posted by protagonistic (1700 comments )
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Also video content (movies and shows) is different than music. I want to listen to my music over and over again. Once I have seen a movie or TV show, I know what happen, I do not want to see it again. Sure there are some movies that I like watching again, but most of the time I want something new to entertain me. PS, no reality shows do not entertain me.

The DVD is a dying market, just like VHS and Laser Disc before that. If I was to buy a movie today, I would go on iTunes and by the electronic version anyways.

Electronic distribution is the future, they need to figure out how that is going to work for them and move towards that as fast as they can. Over the Air and Cable/Satellite are bridges to that future. They are nothing more that streaming of video over Radio and cables, the same can be done over the internet. Why can't I go to NFL.com and buy a season subscription to my favorite team and watch that streamed over the Internet?
Posted by SteveChicago (1800 comments )
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They just don't want their content distribution channels to be monopolized like Google runs the internet. They don't ONE outside firm calling the shots. If you look at all the websites out there and their dependance on Google, making their sites SEO friendly according to Googles rules. Think of the worlds online advertising budget and how much of it Google owns due to Ad Words, DoublClick etc...

That's what the studios want to avoid. They'd also like it if you paid for the second of every movie you watch but that's another story. Even with cable companies you have several options you have dish network, verison, timewarner etc...
Posted by brian.lee (459 comments )
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i will not repeat this.. but you just said exactly what i wanted to.
Posted by Atofose (1060 comments )
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Well. A couple of issues here.
1. The studios are pricing their new releases too high. We used to go to the theater about once a month or so, but now, one trip to the theater can cost as much as $50 or more. Now I am sure that there are some members of the MMTB club (more money than brains) who are willing to just fork over this kind of money for a couple of hours watching a Movie that they won't even be sure they will like. BUT... Us poor folks can't waste what amounts to three meals for the family on one movie. Prices are just outrageous (an Hollywood wonders why people pirate their films..)
2. DVD and BluRay prices are better, but it seems that when it comes to some films and TV shows on DVD and Bluray, the studios are still living in a fantasy world in which everyone is a Millionaire with money to burn on bad films and TV shows. A perfect example would be the Warner Classics series of DVDs (not even on Bluray). These films are old, and I mean OLD. Most are from the 60's and 70's. These films are good films, don't get me wrong, but when they want you to spend $39 or more for one old movie that has already been through syndication simply because it hasn't been aired in decades, it's tantamount to price gouging. This is yet another incentive for people to pirate their films. A more reasonable fee would have been like $19.99. These were not actually A list movies when they came out. I swear, sometimes I think that Hollywood intentionally prices this stuff out of reach so they can beotch when people start pirating and trading these flicks. Then they could use that as a justification to hike the price up even more. It may seem far fetched, but the people in Hollywood are a very sneaky and conniving lot.

The only real thing keeping them and their overpriced industry afloat is the fact that streaming will not be available with the BluRay picture quality for another decade or so. That is assuming the ISPs and main carriers update their networks for it by then. I have a Netflix account, and I use it just about every day, but I do not use it for anything like watching a New Release film unless I am trying to see if it is worth bothering to spend money on. Which brings us to the last point...

Most of the new films coming out today are tired old repops of films made 30-50 years ago. The plots are boring and in a lot of cases stupid. There is way too much reliance on CGI (just look at SyFy channels "Original" films for an example of good CGI gone wrong.), the acting is sub par (it seems like any cute female with a large bra size is eligible for a leading role.) and the films are just plain bad. It's even worse when they try to "Re-Imagine" classics and totally destroy them in the process (Star Trek, and Day The Earth Stood Still are two very good examples of this). People nowadays are getting tired of paying a weeks salary to sit in a cinema for a couple of hours, drinking over priced soda (did you know that some Cinemas are actually kept dry so people will get thirsty and have to buy $6.00 12oz. Sodas?) and eating $12.00 stale and cold popcorn while watching a really bad movie that looked great in the trailers. The Studios and Cinemas simply ignore today's economic reality and continue to go on their never ending money sucking binge.

So I say, It's Hollywood's own fault and they need to stop whining about not being able to provide their execs with three Beamers this year for bonuses, and FIX their problems... Time to clean house Hollywood. And you are going to need a large vacuum.
Posted by sparrowhyperion (498 comments )
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I think this is one area of entertainment where idiots really do rule...You just might have to wait for the dinosaurs to die off before you get some management in the movie studios that actually get it. A lot of these places built on old money are scared because they don't realize that they will have to partner with other distrubution channels to have a profitable business.

I think many companies are caught off guard because the profit margins are not what they're used to. Well, what's better? A little profit, or no profit at all?
Posted by SixString16 (141 comments )
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I'm sure bringing in Apple to the discussion will cause the fanboys and haters to chime in, but let's face it, Apple does a great job of cannibalizing a current, even successful, product line, and moving on to new hardware and software. They do it quickly, mercilessly, and sometimes when it causes difficulty for both them and their customers. If studios took a lesson from Apple, they'd be the leaders on digital distribution, and they'd have Netflix following them.
Posted by jskrenes (214 comments )
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Well, the business model is successful for Netflix...not so much for the studios. The problem is that a significant portion of studio revenue is generated from home video (so I wouldn't call it a "niche market" just yet).

One reason why studios don't want to completely get behind Netflix is that the revenue gained from this sales channel (video streaming/subscription) isn't enough to offset the revenue lost from physical purchases (Blu-Ray/DVD).

Couple this with the fact that films typically generate most of their revenue from home video, not the box office. On top of this, home video tends to be much more profitable than the box office (due to factors like significantly lower marketing costs, among other things).

I agree that the studios need to evolve, but it's hard to see this happening soon. Unfortunately, this will most likely include restructuring (read "layoffs"), in order to lower costs and maintain a business with declining revenue. Flat out, some of the major studios are too big to sustain themselves at the rate that physical revenue (Blu-Ray/DVD) is declining. From this article, it sounds like they're hoping they can hold out and keep their major releases away Netflix, in order to stimulate more purchases/downloads. That said, if someone really wanted to watch a new release, they could just rent it on Netflix anyways.

Regarding Netflix, the quickest way to get studio support may be to raise prices (and thus increasing their revenue share with the studios)...of course, Netflix will want something in return...and as a current Netflix subscriber, hopefully that means earlier streaming access of major studio releases. The question then is, how much would Netflix have to raise prices to offset the studio's lost revenue from physical?

So how much would you pay (monthly) to have unlimited streaming of ALL studio releases from day 1?
Posted by optimistic_85 (1 comment )
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Netflix's business model could work for the studios if they got their heads out of their bums. The more people who subscribe to Netflix, the more money the studios can get. The studios, like any movies they put out anymore, are just deserts of creativity and ideas... as in barren desert. Notice every service the studios try fails... maybe they should look the ones that work. But what do I know?

And the article was spot on. We have all realized we don't need to own a movie library of mass proportions. I have dozens of DVD's from the past 10 years I've never opened. That I spent $20 on and can now get 5 for $20 in a dump bin at Wal-Mart.
Posted by pghcraig1 (1278 comments )
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@protagonistic
I used to collect DVDs, now I go to Redbox. Unfortunately sometimes I'm still disappointed that I spent a buck and two hours (Ironman 2, Machete, The A Team). Do they have to screw up Red Dawn by remaking it? Why not remake something that was garbage to begin with (Gigli, The Mirror has two Faces) that can only get better.
Hollywood is committing slow suicide with poor quality movies and the need to preach too much politics/anti-religion/anti-military/green movement. Too much propaganda can spoil any movie, regardless of your beliefs.
Posted by slick312 (1397 comments )
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Legacy content distribution is dead. I haven't purchased a dvd in over 5 years. I can't even recall the last CD I purchased.

More then anything it's the cost saving. The content doesn't need to cost the consumer so much; decent films pay for themselves at the box office. I will pay the outrageous cinema prices for a REALLY good movie; but why buy a $50 blueray I am only going to watch once? I don't need a massive collection of DVD's decorating my wall unit for street cred or something.

Netflix was exactly what I was looking for, an acceptably priced alternative to traditional broadcasting and distribution. What really surprises me is the lack of competition and innovation from the studios; how have they not set-up an online box-office or something similar to sell a product that 20 million people have already decided is right for them?

The writing's on the wall, just ask the record industry.
Posted by Drae- (67 comments )
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Then you suffer from entertainment ADHD, and will be lead like a bull with a nose-ring to whatever the industry wants to feed you...for a price.

I still buy DVDs - and will probably continue for a long time.
I buy movies I enjoy now, and my family may enjoy later.
I buy training videos, to help educate myself and my family (deer hunting, fishing, wood working, math, science, etc) without endless hours of "this is how my grandpa taught me, and now I am passing it on to you in the same way", or hoping its popular enough to include in the streaming media list...

Ownership means "I get to watch it when I want to watch it".

The studios have so many venues to distribute through these days, they are worried they won't have the control to obtain the greatest amout of capitalization from ALL of them.
They want to control EVERY market, while turning a blind eye that the consumer truly carries the purchasing power and, in this economy, we are cheap.
The greed is causing them to self-destruct.

Personally, I think if they made less, we might have a few less Charlie Sheens emerging from the entertainment industry...
Posted by 0ri0n (318 comments )
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$50 blu ray? Perhaps on special editions but that isn't really the norm. I will say though that even though you aimed a bit high the argument holds true. Even standard DVD's when not on sale are still a bit pricey given the fact that blu-ray exists. I have a problem with what seems to be good movie or crap movie both costing nearly the same on blu-ray once the initial "sale" price wears out. Of course there are bargain discs out there to be had, but there are also countless examples of movies that were clearly sub par in both critic responses and box office popularity and the blu-ray discs are still north of $20. Who is going to purchse that disc? Blu-rays are superior to online streaming for two reasons:the image and sound quailty and for the extras, but no one needs either one of these things on a crap movie so why would the studios even try to keep the price point up that high? The "good enough" mp3 argument for streaming will reign until the studios adjust the pricing of the discs both DVD and blu-ray.
Posted by 1Opinion (560 comments )
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I rarely buy any DVDs any more -- they just pile up and we rarely watch them. As for BluRay -- the disks are overpriced and the studios are shooting themselves in the foot with their BD pricing strategy. The studios need to learn to love Netflix (and other streaming content providers), or least learn how to make money from them.
Posted by ToddWBeaver (1352 comments )
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For some reason, once I or my family watches a movie once, we don't want to watch it again. When my son was younger, he wanted to watch movies over and over. But now that he's a little older, he doesn't want to anymore.

So I see no reason to buy dvd's. Renting, or streaming, or pay-per-view on DirecTV , or going to the theatre is good enough for me.
Posted by pwoon (779 comments )
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Netflix is so much better than buying disks even my 78 year old mother prefers it over buying disks. I brought my AppleTV with me for my Christmas visit, and she decided it needed to stay. Netflix hit the sweet spot with it's pricing. Any higher and my mother would not be a subscriber.
Posted by CouchPotatoNC (6 comments )
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I still buy the occasional disc. I have streaming Netflix to my TV, but since I'm cheap with my internet, I don't get the HD. So DVD/BluRay is my preferred format for those few good movies that I want to see clearly.
Posted by joolaboola (150 comments )
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Big cable profits rely on bundling and bleeding customers who have nowhere else to go. Netflix could double or triple in price and have more value. As Netflix adds more content the only perceived value of cable will be live or local content. The producers need a Netflix because cable providers benefit too much from the old model. They may eventually be a less greedy middle man if there is a viable alternative to compete with. Coax has the potential for massive bandwidth so channels will turn into on demand services, some pay, some supported by advertising but for now the $100 cable bill doesn't look too good in comparison.
Posted by shai-tan (380 comments )
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Let me say, Netflix is such a better experience, too. It's like switching from VHS to DVD. I don't care about new movies, if they're not on Netflix it hardly exists. And the black market and foreign studios will fill the void if studios hold out.
Posted by solomonrex (112 comments )
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We got rid of our cable and got a Netflix account that we watch using our AppleTV (OK, so we also have the disk rental service). Between that and occasionally going to the theater to see a really outstanding film (which has been only twice in the last six months), we're perfectly happy. I especially enjoy knowing that I'm not stuffing the wallets of the smug, self-congratulatory studio execs who wear the most expensive tuxes at the Oscars.
Posted by vlodko62 (1 comment )
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I was one of those gee-whiz people for a long time with DVDs. I felt compelled to have a good collection at first but then I started nabbing whatever I could find for a "reasonable" price. Now I've got hundreds of them, they take up a lot of space, and I will probably never watch most of them again. I thought about trying to sell some of them but they're practically worthless in terms of resale value. Library donation I guess?

It was the advent of BluRay (and the thought of rebuying some of my collection) that helped me realize I had collector fever but Neflix was definitely the Nicorette patch that helped wean me off my crazy habit. All these studios that fear people not wanting to go see/buy new blockbuster releases shouldn't place all the blame on Netflix, the amount of crap that Hollywood pumps out every week has given pause to many of us and made us wonder whether it's worth the gamble when we know the content will be available on Netflix, Redbox, etc. in short order.
Posted by phynn78 (241 comments )
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Yes, I think the price jump from $15 (DVD) to $25-30 (BluRay) woke a lot of people up. Everybody started asking the question: why do I need to buy all of these one-view movies, again?
Posted by d_adams (985 comments )
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This is going to sound weird, but a good majority of people still think DVDs are "new" technology. If you don't believe me, see the amount of people who walk out of a thrift store with BAGS of VHS movies still.

As for Blu-Ray, it's a lost cause. $ony pissed off lots of people, and Blu-Ray sales still come near DVD sales for the same titles. Disney took the correct approach by offering $20 or $30 for a film, and including a DVD of the movie as well as a digital download.
Posted by BtmnHatesRbn (1226 comments )
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I've got a fever! And the only prescription... is more netflix!
Posted by Brent212 (850 comments )
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I have Netflix, and still utilize the disk-by-mail option for newer content. This coupled with the streaming service offers a value which I cannot get anywhere else, even though many of the movies and shows are "second tier" titles.

I stopped collecting DVD's because Hollywood has put me in a box. Blu-Ray disks are too expensive (and i only have one player and two TV's), DVD's are not HD, and digital download content is limited and too expensive. Also digital download content my limits ability to share as I can with DVD disks.

Hollywood and the music industry has never caught on to the fact that sharing is a huge part of marketing for entertainment.
Posted by clevelandadv (40 comments )
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Those Hollywood execs that are so afraid of Netflix ought to take a stroll through the pirate bay.
Netflix customers *pay* for their content.
Torrent "customers" don't.
Netflix isn't an alternative to DVD sales; it's an alternative to piracy.
Squeeze the former, boost the latter.
Their call, really.
Posted by -fjtorres- (221 comments )
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Totally agree.
Posted by maitereya (42 comments )
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Couldn't agree more. I don't pirate, but if they kill Netflix I may find other alternatives to what entertains me because I have a budget and a $10 movie ticket for a family of 5 is not in the budget.
Posted by skelly76 (15 comments )
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Yes, if they really wanted to combat piracy, they'd invest heavily in a service like Netflix streaming. Think about it: on thepiratebay you can download any recent movie without DRM, some within days of the theater release, and in remarkable quality (BluRay rips). Netflix offers a low-cost alternative that is not only easier for people to use than TPB but also provides a way for customers to pay for content that those customers don't seem to mind.

DVDs are dead. BluRay will die. The Internet is the future. Wake up studios!
Posted by d_adams (985 comments )
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d-adams if blu-ray is going to die where are you going to get your torrents of blu-ray rips?
Posted by 1Opinion (560 comments )
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How about we create our own content instead? Instead go outside and do something instead of paying money to these greedy execs so they can have golden toilet bowls. I am not impressed with 3d technology - it hurts my eyes. The content is way too expensive for a one time experience.

These studios need to realize that people are getting smarter too. If they want to make their profits then maybe they should pay less to the talent, and if the talent doesn't like it, then there are others who would gladly take the roles for less money. There is a big shift occurring in the world economy. I don't think it should exclude Hollywood.
Posted by jester90210 (1 comment )
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Totally agree with your statement but:
They don't care that Netflix customers *pay* for their content because they want more money, and they want you to pay multiple times for the same thing - just as we do now. They'll do everything to keep that business model, which they can for a very long time (studios have lots of money).
Posted by Mariusz77T (48 comments )
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totally agree and with TB of storage so cheap it amazes me one that the studio would rather folks use the DVD in mail from netflix than streaming. copying a DVD is a lot easier to do than capturing a stream so I don't understand why studios don't push their content more towards the stream. yes I know folks can capture a stream but certainly not as easy at ripping a movie or downloading a bit torrent.

the only movies I buy right now are kids movies so they can be watched in the car as well as in the house. I used to buy lots of dvd's but then I started to realize at $20 a pop how many times will I watch them to make it worth it.
Posted by minterbartolo (63 comments )
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Yep...I know someone who keeps buying bootleg DVD's of new movies. They are about to get internet and guess what else they are going to get thanks to me? A Netflix subscription.

Now, guess what they are going to stop doing if the movie industry opens the flood gates to the Netfllix content?
Posted by VRSpock (22 comments )
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@1Opinion: if BluRay dies, (which it eventually will) I assume HD video will be delivered in a different format. Maybe it will be Netflix streaming, although internet connections will have to improve drastically in the US before that happens. Until that happy day, it's either TPB or BluRay.
Posted by d_adams (985 comments )
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Yes and No. Netflix doesn't have all the content either. You there are not as many options with Netflix as there are with good rips with subtitles, extra audio & faster playback via VLC player.
Posted by kieranmullen (1012 comments )
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I guess I'm exactly what the movie studios are afraid of. I used to buy a lot of DVD's, but haven't bought one in 3 years. Netflix is an excellent value, for $8 per month I get access to a library much bigger than I could ever afford to have, and it's instantly available without having to fumble around trying to find an physical disk. There's no way I'm going spend $30 to buy a blu-ray disk when I can just wait to get it on netflix in a few months. If the studios want to force me to wait (by not making it available to netflix), so be it, I'm still not going to buy it.

Same goes for the cable company: why the heck would I subscribe to some "premium" service like cinemax or hbo when I can have a vast library at my fingertips for much less each month? Why the heck would anyone order a pay per view movie when you can get it from netflix a short while later?

It's funny to see Hollywood make the exact same stupid mistakes as the music industry made: fight tooth and nail to maintain outdated business models that are doomed to failure, instead of embracing new models.
Posted by RobertAPierce (223 comments )
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I am likewise part of the nightmare for movie studios. I have several hundred movies in various formats including VHS,VideoDisc, and DVD. I think I used one of them in the past six months. Most of my collection is now available through my Netflix subscription. It is much easier to browse Netflix than my shelves of movies. I don't have a Blu-Ray player, much less any discs for one. I will never again purchase a movie that requires me to leave my recliner to see it. My projector and sound system are as good as the local theater yet cost me much less than going to the theater a few nights a week for a year.
Posted by CouchPotatoNC (6 comments )
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A couple things caught my eye when reading the post and reply here. "without having to fumble around trying to find a physical disc" "I will never again purchase a movie that requires me to leave my recliner to see it"

As I see it, there are myriad reasons why Netflix is valuable. Being too friggin lazy to get up, put in a movie, and push play is not one of them. No wonder America is getting so fat. We can't be bothered to do anything if it means getting up. Embarrassing.
Posted by rando1017 (38 comments )
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@rando1017
When it comes to the crap Hollywood tries to force on us entertainment, I think it's commendable that people won't pay or get up to put a disc in to watch it.
Posted by wirelesscaller (2464 comments )
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Here's the thing: I have a Netflix subscription (1 disk at a time, all the streaming I can eat - the minimum, really) and currently we still have FiOS TV; but Frontier is making noises about weasling out of their FiOS franchises in several States, including ours.

Let's assume they go away, and somehow Netflix gets shut down. Am I going to buy more DVDs? H*ll no! Am I going to get a Blu-Ray player? Not before Newt Gingrich admits he's gay and secretly married to Rush Limbaugh. Either I will give up movies altogether (certainly not unlikely), or I will increase my broadband speed from the current 25Mbps to 50Mbps and find sites where I can get whatever content I like - without paying more than $10/month for all I can stream.

And we'll give up cable TV completely. All we currently watch is the news, and the Food Channel. News I can get on my Roku box, and the food channel is available on their Web site, mostly.
Posted by dumbspammers (2753 comments )
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Why are 30-50% of DVDs still in shrink wrap on the shelves? Because 30-50% of movies SUCK! Even the ones that don't suck aren't worth the outrageous BluRay prices. No matter how much the studio wants me to, I'm not going to purchase Big Momma 3. At any price. But I did purchase Toy Story 3, because it didn't suck and wasn't overpriced after the coupon I had.

And I learned my lesson with DVDs. I have boxes of DVDs sitting in my basement that I got at "bargain" prices. Some of THOSE are still in shrink-wrap. I don't need to repeat that mistake with another format, even digital. I've learned to be much more selective about what shiny plastic I buy. And what tickets I buy to go to the movies. If I I'm not 90% sure I'll like a movie, I'll wait to rent it.

Hollywood: My pockets aren't infinitely deep. Stop trying to pick them, and start trying to win them.
Posted by Peter713 (23 comments )
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You rant about movies that suck, yet you use Toy Story 3 as an example of a movie that does not suck?

What are you, 12 years old? Do you sit aroud and watch the Disney Channel and Teen Nick all day long?

Granted Big Momma 3 is a lousy movie. I could tell from the trailer that is was a stupid movie.

Hollywood is not trying to pick your pockets. They are not forcing you to spend money on anything. If you do not want to buy for their merchandise, then spend your money on something else.
Posted by ewsachse (652 comments )
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@ewsachse

Looks like someone needs to calm down and stop insulting people!
Posted by ddesy (4059 comments )
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@ewsachse
Have something against kids' movies? Toy Story 3 was great according to my wife and kids.

I am still amazed that Hollywood still convinces people to get up and go to the theater for subpar experiences. Too many theatres have poor seats, neglected equipment and the perverbial sticky floors. They will eventually lose to Netflix. Too many people are satisfied with OK and cheap. They'll wait for movies or go to Redbox.
Posted by it_equals42 (84 comments )
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Good point. In the last 2 years, I've only watched three movies that I would consider worthy of purchase. All the rest are one-views or just complete rubbish.
Posted by d_adams (985 comments )
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@ewsachse
Toy Story 3 is far more creative and their story far more than original than most movies that comes out with over rated over payed actors, actresses, and production companies. Some of these content producers should be sued for life piracy and our time we won't get back watching their movies.
Posted by wirelesscaller (2464 comments )
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At my age I find that over the decades, my choices in movies and TV shows has gone up a hundred fold. The consumer no longer has time to watch EVERYTHING. I like many shows and movie but do not have the time to watch them, let alone, BUY a copy and watch it more than once. The ability for mass media to create new material at an astonishing rate has "killed" the idea of collecting. Sadly, in my opinion, the amount of crap created has risen in equal proportion. Add the gaming time that didn't exist when I was 20 years old and you have a real competition for the consumers attention, let alone, his or her dollars. When I was 12 years old, I had three channels on TV that went off the air at 2 am, no video games, maybe one to four movie releases in the theaters a month and no internet. It kills me to hear of a producer complaining about a business model (DVD and CD) dying, that in fact only came into existance a few years ago. That's like complaining that your platform disco shoe model didn't continue forever.
Posted by gsekse (166 comments )
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Even putting the junk aside, there is so much good content on TV I just simply don't have time to watch. Having caught up on the entire series of Sopranos, The Wire, Rome, The Office, Entourage and Top Chef, I still haven't seen a single episode of other highly recommended shows like 24, Dexter, Weeds, Mad Men, etc.
Posted by CrownRoyalForever (65 comments )
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Hollywood is counting on UltraViolet, the name given to a set of technology standards that will enable consumers to playback digital video across a large range of devices and platforms--just like the DVD can. Then why replace the DVD it can already do what UltraViolet wants to do? Maybe take advantage of Blu-ray to store more than one movie on a disk, like the Borne Identity trilogy, so when we travel we can cut down on the number of disks. Of course this means the advertisements and trailers for new moves would have to go to make room. I just love seeing a trailer for an old movie instead of the movie I paid for.

The studios don't want to say goodbye to physical disks. Then why charge so much? Lower the price of a DVD movie so it makes more sense to buy it than to stream it a couple of times. Contrary to what the executives say I and many others do watch good movies many times it is the garbage we may watch once and do not want to waste our money on.
Posted by worried1 (90 comments )
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My friend refuses to buy a Blu-Ray player because his x-box and computer already up-converts the movies and that is all Blu-Ray realty does to old movies anyway; so, the idea of using Blu-Ray to store trilogies instead of trying to "information overload: everyone with hokus pokus (bad sp but the cool thing i just learned is my spell check knows the word Pokemon?!) I don't need 5 separate interviews, ten angles, and 5 versions of the movie. The PSP wmd movies had no extra content because the disks were to small but If the had made them at a decent price then i would have bought them because they had no junk on them, or a better idea went to chip for more space (like they should have done) they could have started a new way to do movies for hand-held devices. The main thing is Netflix lets me watch shows without the hype that is always given to DVDs and Blu-Ray so they can keep up the price.

As for the fight they said the same thing about cable, HBO, CD-ROM, Laser Disk, video tapes, VCRs, DVDs, rental places in general, TiVo, you-tube(yes you-tube), and now Netflix anything that threatened their control will be attacked; so, just sit back and watch as Netflix, Veoh, ATT Univers, ect. bring a new online video service to all.
Posted by a_nolan (2 comments )
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Netflix = Value

Netflix is a perfect example the of free market dictating terms, they are not losing money and are able to sell content at a cheaper price and easily distribute it to customers in a cost effective way at $8.99 a month.

I dropped cable a few years back and used netflix and an over the air antenna/DVR and found I had more than enough to watch, I only recently came back to pay TV with Uverse being available in my area. However even after buying back into Uverse I am still keeeping my netflix subscription, why you may ask???

Because the interface is great, I like have movies in queue that I can watch an any TV in my house in seconds all because nearly every device I have hooked to a TV can stream netflix.

Hollywood should be aware that they really missed the boat here, but like the music industry technology isn't worth their time if it will effect current moneymaking divisions until it is too late and a problem.
Posted by C0mmanderB0nd (318 comments )
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It's nice to see a bloated, decadent industry like film and television sweating under the collar like this.
Posted by Uberman5000 (147 comments )
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I am on a trial of Netflix since I got a gaming system. At first, I hated it as it seemed everythign was old (streaming). I was wondering where the thousands of titles were. Some new things, but when the most recent movies are Prince of Persia and Karate Kid, that kinda says alot. However, as my kids starting watching the limited (in my mind) movies, more items appeared. Looking online, I was able to browse more, and see what I was missing. I upped to the 1 dvd package and we are able to get some of the newer releases. I can also use Redbox and the various free codes out there. Now I'm enjoying Netflix so much, our family more than likely will keep the package once the trial is over with.

The only time we bought DVDs was from Disney with the $10 off coupons. I have no BR player, as I have no HD TV. mine works fine, and I don't need to see everyone's pimples in HD quality. I never enjoyed buying $20 movies to watch a few times and stick on the shelf.

The studios should embrace this model, rather than try to torpedo it, but we know that money talks. i'd rather a $5 movie on DVD, that is just the movie, no directo cut, no 5 tracks of commentary (director, producer, actors) over the movie. I don't need the games, and many times the deleted scenes stink, and so to0 do the gag reels. give me the movie, nothing else.

As for cable on demand. I'm sorry, but $5 for a movie, when I can get it on Redbox for $1, or Netflix, just doesn't make sense anymore.
Posted by nikecar (487 comments )
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I have to admit... the only thing I would like to collect is transformers, daffy duck, and babylon 5. Outside of that I just purchased I AM Legend on Blu ray because it was 5 bux and i felt sorry for the film studios. It's not their fault, they were born greedy.
Posted by jlopezcnet (745 comments )
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Babylon 5 is one sci-fi series that is dear to my heart.
Posted by weegg (851 comments )
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Add to that Farscape and most of the Marx brothers movies and that'd be all I need too.
Posted by El_Segfaulto (601 comments )
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Fortunately Babylon 5 is available for streaming on Netflix, so I don't have to buy it. And I read that pretty soon all of the Star Trek series are coming too! That's hundreds of dollars in DVD purchases that I'll keep in my pocket. Thanks Netflix. Keep it up!
Posted by jalmodov (2 comments )
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Will they stream Rocky and Bullwinkle?
Posted by zyxxy (2898 comments )
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My kid watches Rocky and Bullwinkle on Netflix
Posted by VRSpock (22 comments )
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Netflix has a vision and studio execs don't. This is especially noticeable by the quote:

"People can watch any of the service's commercial-free films and shows anytime they want."

... this is a good thing because that's what people want.
Posted by alexb3e (66 comments )
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This is exactly the kind of news I read CNET for! Keep up the good work!
Posted by rmhannah (96 comments )
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I wonder about the viability of streaming Netflix over an airline Wifi connection. The article above links to a positive review of Gogo Inflight on Delta airlines, but if you check that article's comments, you'll see this: "GoGo InFlight is horrible. I tried Netflix on an AirTrans flight and the playback was completely unusable. I chatted with the GoGo support and they explained they INTENTIONALLY dowgrade your bandwidth when they detect streaming of any kind."
Posted by billsmith1961 (10 comments )
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My buddy tried to run Netflix streaming on his last flight when he got the Wifi, it was buffering every 5 minutes like he was back in 1998--not an option right now.
Posted by 1Opinion (560 comments )
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Inflight streaming is pretty hopeless. However, all is not lost. There *is* a method of capturing the stream for later playback, so you can plan ahead.

Or just rent a Red Box disk (or several if it's a long flight).
Posted by dumbspammers (2753 comments )
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"People built film libraries because they had never been able to own movies before. Even then, most of the movies only got watched once." - Correct. You want us to pay $5 - $30 for a DVD/BluRay and only watch it once? Ultimate greed right there. Netflix is winning because it is affordable and offers unlimited viewing options. I jumped on the Netflix bandwagon about 1.5 years ago and will stay there until it dies.

It is the best movie rental option. Before Hollywood Video closed in my area they were charing $7 to rent a BluRay disc and $5 for a DVD. It cost more to rent 2 movies than netflix does in a month, and no late fees.
Posted by homercles82 (442 comments )
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I went to Blockbuster last week to pick up a just-reeleased movie I had an itch to see (and AppleTV was screwing up). I paid the $5 or whatever to rent it and take it back a few days later. It was such a sense of nostalgia. I haven't been to a video store in ages. I even had my 5 year old jump out and put the movie in the drop box. He had no idea what I was asking him to do. It was all so alien to him.

This does not bode well for the old Hollywood elite. My kids think movies just appear in their iPods via the Netflix suggested list. I'll buy the occasional BluRay with digital copy for Disney flicks to put on the iPods for flights but really, physical media is dying. They better come to grips with it or just be prepared to be subservient to Netflix a la the music industry to iTunes.
Posted by it_equals42 (84 comments )
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@it_equals42 - Don't buy a BD just for the digital copy. Rent (or buy if you feel you need to have the physical media) the DVD and use one of the many available rippers to make your own digital copy. Handbrake is free, though a bit complex for my tastes. I use the Daniusoft DVD to iPad convertor and it costs less than a single BD. I hva converted most of my DVDs to MP4 this way, and stored them on my home server so I can watch whatever I want on my Roku box without having to go find the disk.
Posted by dumbspammers (2753 comments )
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Ive stopped buying dvds, and haven't seen enough value in bluray to invest money in it. Most of the movies ive seen lately are complete and utter crap. I only buy the ones that I absolutely love (which is maybe 1 every 3 years or so) that are essentially instant classics. Everything else we get through netflix. We dropped our cable tv because we never watch it anymore. The only show that was worth watching that I couldnt get anywhere else was mythbusters, but im not going to pay an extra $50 on top of internet just to watch it... Plus my time is precious. I dont want to channel surf looking for something 'suitable' to watch. With netflix, we get to watch what we want (for the most part), when we want (again, for the most part). Otherwise we go do something more productive rather than feed our minds with drivel.

Netflix is like our pandora (service oriented)... I do see a market for digital download (ie itunes, or product oriented), but DRM has to go and prices have to come down... iTunes' a buck a song is a great deal... if movies were like $3-5 a download for dvd quality with no DRM, no limit to the number of times you can watch it, and no limit to the number of computers you can have it on, that in my mind would be a great deal. Somehow, though, I dont think that will happen anytime soon.
Posted by thetikispam (7 comments )
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You can get Mythbusters from Amazon's VOD service. It isn't in HD, but at least you can get it!
Posted by ddesy (4059 comments )
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mythbusters is on Netflix
Posted by VRSpock (22 comments )
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Not the full seasons.

Just "special" collections or "best of" Mythbusters seasons.

But they are still a lot of fun to watch.
Posted by ilsthey (145 comments )
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Between NetFlix, Hulu, YouTube & iTunes, I am not sure why I need cable. I cancelled my DirecTV over a year ago, and I have never looked back. The biggest downside is the lack of streaming sporting and live events. I also wish I did not have to wait so long for Showtime & HBO content, but I am willing to wait because it means I am saving money. The sports and live events industry is already engaging in a number of Internet distribution deals, so I am sure we will see more of this as time goes on. Physical media is dead and the cable box will eventually die out as well. Consumers are going to gravitate to content on their time schedule. Studios would be foolish to cut off any content from these online providers. They just need to see how they can integrate companies like NetFlix to better fit into their business model.
Posted by mbergdale (5 comments )
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Between my partner and me, we had a huge DVD collection which we've now dumped onto a WDTV media player and couple high capacity drives. The amount of storage we've recovered is phenomenal. We bought a blu-ray player and huge HDTV during the October sales, and while we've acquired a few Blu-Ray disks (favorite films we watch over and over, and wanted in 1080p, or wanted the extras), we're buying disks at a tiny fraction of pace of DVDs. And we go to the theater even less. It's really all about the content. There's not much we want to pay $20-30 to see once, whether in a theater or at home. If we are mildly interested in a particular film, we will patiently wait for it appear on the services we use. Occasionally, we'll buy the media, watch it, and resell it -- normally making the net cost about what we think was a fair price for the content we've enjoyed (although nowadays 'enjoyed' is often stretching the meaning the word).

These streaming services (and illegal downloads) also have a HUGE advantage over the old-fashioned methods (theater/DVD/Blu-Ray) the studios are desperate to keep alive: You press PLAY and the movie PLAYS. How great is that?! No previews, no commercials, just the movie. I don't need to be told how good Blu-Ray is, or what is coming soon, every time I insert in a disk.
Posted by zizzybaloobah (219 comments )
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LOL! No doubt, I hate when I'm watching a BluRay disc that has to tell me how great BluRay is. Duh. That's why I'm watching the BluRay disc. And worse still is when they disable all the functions on the remote (even the STOP button?? Seriously now!) so you can't skip ahead. That drives me absolutely nuts.
Posted by FargoUT (358 comments )
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@FargoUT: Next time you keep getting that annoying 'Prohibited' message when a Blu-Ray disk starts, try using the Chapter Next button (usally the arrow with the vertical bar: >| or >>| ). That seems to work on every blu-ray I own, and is great way to bypass all the crap I am (almost) forced to watch as my punishment for being doing the right, legal thing.
Posted by zizzybaloobah (219 comments )
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When Tron first hit theatres, the original DVD was out of print and not on iTunes or Netflix. A quick $79 pickup for the holidays on Ammy.

These discs will delaminate over time and are not worth holding for a collection.

The future is all digital. Once Netflix owns a title in the library it is for the life of the service.
Posted by chatins (801 comments )
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Netflix doesn't "own" anything. In fact, a lot of the streaming content is only temporarily available and gets pulled after a while.
Posted by ddesy (4059 comments )
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If the movie studios refuse to accept Netflix and try to kill it, I have no problem torrenting.
Posted by AluminumMonster (451 comments )
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I'm a Netflix subscriber. It meshes well with my taste for independent and foreign films. I'd be delighted to buy more Blu-Ray disks, too, but the studios are doing a dismal job of releasing movies that appeal to me.
Posted by nicmart (1730 comments )
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I'm also an independent film fan, and for that reason I also really don't mind the delay of "Hollywood" films getting to Netflix streaming. The funny thing is that I WASN'T an independent film fan until I switched to Netflix's streaming-only plan. Before that I would occasionally see movies in the theater. Now I never do. Because of Hollywood's insistence of over-valuing its product, I discovered a "product-line" that I like more. Another example of major film studios shooting themselves in the foot.
Posted by imadvanced27 (1 comment )
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@ imadvanced27
I'm hoping more people will share your experience, and develop a taste for less mainstream movies. I really enjoy following the trail to discover new movies on Netflix.

Hollywood has completely abandoned small movies in favor of potential blockbusters, so there is no room in the studio model for honest and real productions. They come from China, Poland, German, Romania, etc.

Netflix may help us return to a time when Americans were willing to read subtitles.
Posted by nicmart (1730 comments )
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I'm about to cancel my cable TV service and up my cable internet service. Now why would I do this?? Netflix and Hulu. We used to buy dvds all the time. Now we maybe buy 3-4 a year. With netflix hulu and redbox there is really no need. The industry needs to see this. To be honest I would love to see cable TV disappear. Let us watch the shows and sports we want when we want. This is the way of a future.
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