Kondracke Advocates Ethnic Cleansing Policy In Iraq, ‘Also Known As Winning Dirty’
Roll Call executive editor and Fox News contributor Mort Kondracke writes today that if President Bush’s escalation policy doesn’t work, his Plan B should be “winning dirty,” which involves “accepting rule by Shiites and Kurds, allowing them to violently suppress Sunni resistance and making sure that Shiites friendly to the United States emerge victorious.”
Kondracke, the “left-leaning” counterpart to Weekly Standard editor Fred Barnes on Fox News’ The Beltway Boys, acknowledges that his “winning dirty” policy will lead to ethnic cleansing:
Winning will be dirty because it will allow the Shiite-dominated Iraqi military and some Shiite militias to decimate the Sunni insurgency. There likely will be ethnic cleansing, atrocities against civilians and massive refugee flows.
He also reveals that at least one member of Congress agrees with his plan:
No one has publicly advocated this Plan B, and I know of only one Member of Congress who backs it — and he wants to stay anonymous. But he argues persuasively that it’s the best alternative available if Bush’s surge fails.
Kondracke says it’s understandable that Sunnis suffer because “so far they’ve refused to accept that they’re a minority. They will have to do so eventually, one way or another.” After all, he says, “Civil wars do end. The losers lose and have to knuckle under.”
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Wow. Evil holds down a 7 figure salary and wears a silk suit.
Comment by elemgee — May 10, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
disgusting
Comment by Republicans are the Fear and Smear Party — May 10, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
and to think Kondracke used to be considered a lefty.
Comment by zappatero — May 10, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Dear Mr. Kondracke
Joseph McCarthy is no longer a member of Congress.
Comment by Mr. Pizzlevent — May 10, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Alright More-Tohn, get your ass over to Iraq and show everyone just how you W lackeys “fight dirty”, except if you’re basing that on the Karl Rove style, then the bin Ladne style of “fighting dirty” will clean your ever-loving clock
That’s what happens when the DC Cocktail Circuit fills your veins instead of blood, you become as addled and dim-witted as Alberto Gonzales unable to recall anything of his day to day duties running the Justice Dept
Comment by KingCranky — May 10, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Hitler and Saddam must be laughing in their graves. Absolutely reprehensible behaviour from the leaders of the world most “civilized” and “advanced” nation. What a psychopath.
Comment by xenon — May 10, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
That is no plan at all. We didn’t go into Iraq to let a civil war end in genocide. If the original principle of why we are fighting this war (ending terror) is as important as Bush claims, the $340 billion already spent and the further $100+ billion to be spent should be redirected toward plans to fight poverty and develop the country to prevent another Afghanistan. According to the Borgen Project, just $19 billion annually can end starvation and $15 billion provides water and sanitation all over the world. If addressing extremism is the goal, the Millennium Development Goals to end poverty is the way to to go for our leaders. There needs to be economic development, not continued war.
Comment by ellec — May 10, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
my god - perhaps the problem with the 28% is the hate spueing out from your television sets
Comment by Tobey Tall — May 10, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
Radical K*ranimal Sunnis and Shiites are already “ethnically cleansing” each other…..pitiful isn’t it? But in examining the way Shiites and Kurds were suppressed, tortured and executed on a wholesale basis during the “good ‘ol Saddam” days (which Progs seem to miss), I’m not surprised…..
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
It is sad, but that is EXactly what’s going to happen as soon a s we leave. Unless, of course, Iran backs the Sunnis. Like I said, disgusting and sad. They have been “at war” with one another long before our contry ever began, that’s simply the way it is.
Comment by Craig Mack — May 10, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
Do people have problems with how the “insurgents” fight?
Comment by John M — May 10, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
Does he also realize that the conservatives are also a minority in the US?
Comment by Dreary Urbanite — May 10, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
Hey Mort, the next time you get an idea, don’t.
Comment by Shane — May 10, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
gee, for once i agree with this guy. i feel like throwing up…..
Comment by bill — May 10, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
Valiant cut the bs and tell us all another ‘dead baby’ joke…
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — May 10, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
any civilized nation or even uncivlized nation would not allow such racist remarks on tele - they would be fired immediately
Im shocked and that takes quite a lot
Comment by Tobey Tall — May 10, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
Krondake: “Civil wars do end. The losers lose and have to knuckle under.”
Hey Mort, maybe you should inform the south. They’re still acting like they won ours.
Comment by Bluedog49 — May 10, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
this is the best way to deal with terrorism, war, and anger, right? just kill and maim everyone who opposes the imperial power.
way to go Mort. I wonder if you’ll get tried as a propagandist at the next nuremburg? I hope so.
The only way to deal with this situation and terrorism, as they call it, is to have a policy of peace, liberty and prosperity. This is the exact opposite of what the US is doing right now.
With such a new dirty war policy it should be clear that we’ve sunk to a new low, and that Iraq and the world was better off with the murderous dictator, Saddam - than the American “democracy” these poor people are having forced upon them.
Some further reading:
“Is the world a better place with Saddam gone?”
http://www.populistamerica.com/ is_the_world_a_better_place_with_saddam_gone
Comment by stopthecons — May 10, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
So he is openly advocating violence and violation of human rights.
Troubling predicament considering it could be carried out on him as well with such false reasoning had they his home address and information.
https://find.intelius.com/purchase.php
Comment by Heterodoxy — May 10, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
These warmongers are the prime example of evil. I have news for them…you don’t go to Iraq to get rid of Saddam because you want to do the same shit he did.
The GOP is so over.
Comment by kasinca — May 10, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
thats good, the folks that asked us to get out, he wants to reward and assist them in killing the others. how much money did the prince of inbredsaudistan pay him to spread that manure? he sounds like he is repeating the same things that the terrorists have been advocating?
maybe he is an agent for a foreign government. it is a rather un american statement.
Comment by oldtree — May 10, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
It is sad, but that is EXactly what’s going to happen as soon a s we leave. Unless, of course, Iran backs the Sunnis. Like I said, disgusting and sad. They have been “at war” with one another long before our contry ever began, that’s simply the way it is.
Comment by Craig Mack
Which is why we shouldn’t have invaded their country to begin with. We have heard the words “I thought they were ALL Muslims”, haven’t we? The folks who put us in this mess had NO IDEA what they were doing - and this is the result.
Comment by Tom — May 10, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
‘ progs seem to miss’ - and Reagan, Pappy Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld all endorsed and supplied the ‘crop sprayers’ and let Dow supply the ‘weedkiller’…. right MA…. its all progressives fault. Dead baby joke… come on.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — May 10, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
Those that need to reach him at home feel free to contact me.
Background Report for Morton Kondracke
Address History for Morton Kondracke includes the following cities:
1 Address in WASHINGTON, DC
Background Report for Morton Kondracke
Address History for Morton Kondracke includes the following cities:
1 Address in CHEVY CHASE, MD
Comment by Your Conscience — May 10, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
The most hilarious thing about anyone spewing their “knowledge” on Faux Noise Network is that the mean IQ of its viewers is probably 3 notches above a sea slug. Unfortunately the sea slugs at Faux Noise believe this stuff because they’ve been conditioned to think its real. Such a waste of protoplasm all the Faux Noise contributors …and viewers…are.
Comment by Ben Dover — May 10, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Does he also realize that the conservatives are also a minority in the US?
Comment by Dreary Urbanite
People often confuse Bush’s approval ratings with the percentage of Americans that are conservative.
Comment by John M — May 10, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Turdle - I apologize - You don’t wish Saddam were still in power and we had never gone into Iraq??
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
Tom - You and Turdle seem to have a penchant for looking back fondly on the “good ‘ol days of Saddam”. Do be a good boy and look up the violations of the Gulf War Cease Fire of 1991 and tell me why Progressives have no credibility when it comes to defense issues. With such a lack of teeth, no wonder you guys LOVE oatmeal and pablum.
“’til later………..
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
Figures that a loyal Bushie is all for genocide.
And Delay calls progressives Nazis…..
WTF is wrong with these 28%ers?
Comment by Craig Mack — As soon as John Poindexter got involved in Iraq, there was a huge influx of death squads killing civillians in Iraq. It’s already happening and it is a repeat of history.
Same crap happened when Poindexter got involved in Venesuela.
Comment by Wayne — May 10, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
I love how nonchalant folks can be about the killing of far off peoples.
Comment by neildeal — May 10, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Dreary Urbanite - You must reside in a Democratically controlled blighted city from your pitiful moniker. My condolences! The number of people who self-identify as “liberal” and “conservative” are almost equal… 17% libs and 23% conservative. On second thought, 6 points is quite a gap…..
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
Neil - I bet you have a hard time enjoying your dinner at night with the thought of starving people in (fill in the Third World hell-hole).
Tooodles…….
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
“Civil wars do end. The losers lose and have to knuckle under.”
Yeah! Just like those pesky germans lost WW1! They had to knuckle under! Cuz they lost! Oh…wait a minute…
Or like those pesky palestinians! In 1948! They lost, so *they* just had to knuckle under too! That’s the way wars work! The losers just *accept* that they lost! And everything is streamers and confetti for the winners! Oh…wait a minute…
At least he acknowledges that it’s a civil war….
Comment by mongo — May 10, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
You don’t wish Saddam were still in power and we had never gone into Iraq??
Comment by valiant venus
Maybe an Iraqi should answer the question. Yeah, sovereignity is not a word your own president can define.
Comment by Juan C — May 10, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
valiant venus = No credibility, inadequate, bewetting, non-lawyer, non-wife, non-mother, non-retired JAG, authoritarian follower, hateful liar, who thinks funny stories about an alleged dead child are funny.
You are to be pitied. And dismissed.
Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Venomous Valiant-
More hateful crappola.
Do you have one decent bone in your body?
Comment by trueblue — May 10, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Jeeze, these guys have no empathy. Was it bred out of them in grad school, or are they some science experiment gone awry? Little kids understand, ‘I’m rubber, you’re glue.’ What the heck is wrong with Kondrake?
Comment by powkat — May 10, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
So, Valient Venus, would you support an ethnic cleansing policy in Iraq?
Comment by Chris L — May 10, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
I just watched a program on TV called “Saddam Tribe” 1 1/2 hours written by his daughter a true story…….. total brutal and well told
something you will never see on your televisions in the US
He was brutal - Iraq would be almost certainely better off with him in Power and the UN sanctions lifted
at least 4.5 % of the population would still be alive and 3382 troops etc etc
But I dont think I saw him rape 14 years old girls and piss on dead people, shoot old men , kill for fun and fun only,
I cant wait for his book to come out , bet you worldwide it sells more than Tenets
Comment by Tobey Tall — May 10, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
We need ethnic cleansing here in the USA…starting with Faux news…rid the country of all Republicans.
Comment by Uncle Ho — May 10, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
“blah, blah, blah…Saddam…blah, blah, blah…Gulf War…blah, blah, blah…“liberal”…blah, blah, blah…Third World…blah, blah, blah.
Tooodles…..
Comment by vacuous vomit — May 10, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
Kondrake is just hoping to be Olbermann’s “Worst Person in The World” tonight. What will Orally do to surpass this?
Comment by Noel — May 10, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
Comment by valiant venus
I though the invasion was because of the elusive WMDs MA.
Not to remove Sadam from power.
Thanks for confirming the LIE.
Fact: Sadam was under control, there was no need for invading when we were supposed to be after terrorist.
Fact: When forces won the war, the first thingthey did was secure the OIL Ministry, instead of securing or blowing known munition dumps, and they did not secure theborder. Biggest mistakes of the war. Big military tactical failure. Because of that, we lost the occupation.
Fact: Bush let Osama Bin Forgotten get away in yet another tactial blunder and was quoted saying he does not care whereheis, that it is not important
And yet, like a moron, you still support the IDIOT IN CHIEF
You 28%ers show a true lack of intellegence.
Comment by Wayne — May 10, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
I’ve got news for that a**hole Kondracke: the Saudis aren’t going to stand by and watch while their Sunni brethren are slaughtered. The Prince told Cheney this. What WE need to do is get our a**es out of there, and let the region take care of the region. We are just prolonging the problem–actually, we’re making things worse. We are not wanted there, anymore. We’re like “the guest that wouldn’t leave” on that old, old SNL skit.
Comment by midwestblue — May 10, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
This man, this evil, evil man is what makes all Americans look bad.
Comment by Observer — May 10, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Tobey,
You may be able to make a few bucks by copying it onto a compatible CD and selling it to us yanks!
:)
Comment by trueblue — May 10, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
I hate to break it to our sociopathic friend, VV, but the majority of IRAQIS believe life was better under Saddam.
And, Valiant, since you’re so into polls and think that they show more conservatives than liberals, I suggest you go to Pollingreport.com and look at issues. What you will find is that on issues, Americans are extremely liberal.
Comment by Bluedog49 — May 10, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
And Saddam was the evil guy?
Comment by Juan C — May 10, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Venomous Valiant-
More hateful crappola.
Do you have one decent bone in your body?
Comment by trueblue
Oh! Oh! I know the answer!
NO.
Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Comment by trueblue — May 10, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0945391/
Comment by Chris L — May 10, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
#9 Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
“Radical K*ranimal Sunnis and Shiites are already “ethnically cleansing” each other…..pitiful isn’t it?”
VV,
Your post here seeths with unstated hatred. Do you know how transparent your writing is? Your sardonic “…..pitiful isn’t it?” observation is just another example of your hate, based in fear.
Even taking into consideration that you want to inflame the progs here, does not account for this foray into hatred. Take that out of the first sentence and it would be your usual inflamitory crap which is standard troll fare. Insert it, and you spew the hatred in your heart. If you intend to inflame by spewing hatred, you need serious help. And sadly, I’m serious about that.
Comment by Merlin — May 10, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
Kondracke is trying to dress this pig up like it was a new idea, but it’s been the neoconservative agenda from Day 1. “making sure that Shiites friendly to the United States emerge victorious” was “getting Ahmed Chalabi into power so we have full access to Iraqi oil.”
Bush may have thought the plan was for him to lead the ignorant savages of the Middle East into a glorious democratic (and, no doubt, Christian) future but the neocons have always wanted to establish a puppet state with a friendly dictator, just as US foreign policy has always favored, either in that region or in Latin America. You cannot extract resources efficiently in the middle of a civil war. Chalabi was the answer to their prayers, up until the Iraqis made it clear they wanted nothing to do with him.
For all I know, Kondracke might still think Chalabi could end up as top dog; he certainly isn’t suggesting that Sistani or al-Sadr would be appropriate “friendly” Shi’ites.
Comment by gummitch — May 10, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
45 - he does indead - I just cannot beleive he would be allowed on TV that amazes me — WOW — I honestly cannot beleive it
HEY I KNEW IVE SEEN THIS PLAN BEFORE SO HERE IT IS
http://www.iht.com/ articles/ 2006/ 12/ 18/ news/ letter.php
WASHINGTON: Someone in Vice President Dick Cheney’s office has gotten everybody on this city’s holiday party circuit talking, simply by floating an unlikely Iraq proposal that is worthy of a certain mid-19th century British naturalist with a fascination for natural selection.
We shall call it the Darwin Principle.
The Darwin Principle, Beltway version, basically says that Washington should stop trying to get Sunnis and Shiites to get along and instead just back the Shiites, since there are more of them anyway and they’re likely to win in a fight to the death. After all, the proposal goes, Iraq is 65 percent Shiite and only 20 percent Sunni.
Sorry, Sunnis.
The Darwin Principle is radical, decisive and most likely not going anywhere. But the fact that it has even been under discussion, no matter how briefly, says a lot about the dearth of good options facing the Bush administration and the yearning in this city for some masterstroke to restore optimism about the war.
Darwin? Try Machiavelli.
An even more far-fetched offshoot of the Darwin Principle is floating around, which some hawks have tossed out in meetings, although not seriously. It holds that America could actually hurt Iran by backing Iraq’s Shiites; that could deepen the Shiite- Sunni split and eventually lead to a regional Shiite-Sunni war. And in that, the Shiites — and Iran — lose because, while there are more Shiites than Sunnis in Iraq and Iran, there are more Sunnis than Shiites almost everywhere else.
Wow.
Comment by Tobey Tall — May 10, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
Majority of the Arab States are Sunni. Things could escalate beyond Iraq. This may be the grand plan of the Neocon cabal. Let ‘r rip and pick up the pieces.
Comment by demented — May 10, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
Zooey,
Always there to back me up.
Thanks.
:)
Comment by trueblue — May 10, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
Chris L,
Cool!
Thanks for the link.
Comment by trueblue — May 10, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
Saddam’s Tribe. 9.00pm. Channel 4.
In 2004 producer Monica Garnsey had a series of meetings with Raghad Hussein. Raghad’s story, combined with others who knew Saddam, inspired Saddam’s Tribe. Examining how Saddam retained power for over a quarter of a century and eventually lost it, the drama describes how the fate of a whole nation turned on the fluctuations of family loyalty and, eventually, of family betrayal amidst a descent into debauchery and corruption.
Comment by Tobey Tall — May 10, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
#35 - Zoooette - You are the poster child for why “Totalitarian” Progressives are thought of with such pity….and more than a tad of contempt……..You are as open-minded as a seales vault…..
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
Dreary Urbanite - You must reside in a Democratically controlled blighted city from your pitiful moniker. My condolences! The number of people who self-identify as “liberal” and “conservative” are almost equal… 17% libs and 23% conservative. On second thought, 6 points is quite a gap….. Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
Yet the latest polling show that some 50+% of Americans “Lean Democratic”, whereas only 30+% of Americans “Lean Republican”?
Wow, you must really have taken a heaping helping of Koolaid to be so clueless as to what’s happening in the world!
I also hate to *inform* you of this. But while most Americans have been taught that “Liberal=bad” by the mainstream press, and may not self identify with that term, when they are questioned on individual issues that YOU would consider Liberal versus Conservative - they consistently (over 50%) pick the Liberal side of the issue. Just imagine, with all of that Madison Avenue branding that you Conservatives have spent 30 years and countless millions (perhaps billions?) of dollars in trying to turn America RED, they’re more liberal now than when you started - when you get down to brass tacks!
More Conservative waste of money… You dum basses can’t even convince the majority of your BASE that you’re competent - yet you think America is going to choose you to run the country again?
BAHAHA, take another sip of that kkkoolaid - Nazi c*nt!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
Zooey,
Always there to back me up.
Thanks.
:)
Comment by trueblue
Just returning the favor. :)
Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
#35 - Zoooette - You are the poster child for why “Totalitarian” Progressives are thought of with such pity….and more than a tad of contempt……..You are as open-minded as a seales vault….. Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
A “Totalitarian Progressive” is an OxyMoron - whereas you are just a MORON - Nazi c*nt.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
Wait a minute — given this, how is it that we haven’t already won?
Declare victory, get out. Duh. Nice 2 step plan, no timetable required.
The real question I have is… how are we going to get a Shiite Iraq to be friendly to us instead of Shiite Iran? Hrm? Ooh, maybe that’s a flaw in this nice little 2-step plan… Bummer. Sucks to be us trying to stop an Islamic Caliphate from forming when our “Plan B” for victory is to *help it form!*
Anybody else remember why we supported Saddam with guns and maps to help him target those guns back in the ’80s yet? Hrm?
Comment by JMiller — May 10, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
So here we have Wingnut Venus and her Friends calling for “Ethnic Cleansing”. And she wants the world to think liberals are like the Terrorists! BAAHAHAHA, what a fringe piece of sh*t lunatic!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
Whaaa?
OK, seriously - you need to take the meds now.
Zooey - - - closed minded??????
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAGHAGHAGHAGHAG!
Comment by trueblue — May 10, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
The one problem with the Dirty War scenario is that it depends on Muslim cooperation. That ain’t going to happen. The Saudis have already threatened to intervene should the US not protect the Sunnis. And the Shi’ites are allied with Iran. And the differences between Shia and Sunni is greatly exaggerated.
This Dirty War scenario is not only illegal, immoral, and disgusting; it has about as much chance of working as MacArthur’s little scheme to capture North Korea without triggering the invasion of the Chinese across the Yalu river. First rule of warfare is not to count on the enemy doing what you hope they’ll do. It’s not that different than the lawyer’s rule that you should never ask a witness a question you don’t already know the answer to. (And, judging from Gonzales’ performance today, I’d say this WH knows squat about either rule.)
Comment by david — May 10, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
#58 — Not So Mighty Hag
It’s so telling that you didn’t deny a single truth in my comment at #35.
YOU would win any contempt contest around here, bless your heart.
“seales vault” Hmmmm, is your “assistant” not around to clean up your dribble?
Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
“seales vault” Hmmmm, is your “assistant” not around to clean up your dribble?
Comment by Zooey
**snicker**
Comment by trueblue — May 10, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
“seales vault” Hmmmm, is your “assistant” not around to clean up your dribble?
Comment by Zooey
LOL
Comment by Wayne — May 10, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
Zoooey - Responding to your ignorant assumptions about my life is a waste of my time. The only thing you might believe are notarized copies of my birth certificate, diplomas, marriage certificate, my childrens’ birth certificates, my bar card, my business card - - and I’m just not even going to go there. You are one twisted sister…..and as open minded as a sealed vault.
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
One correction:
Kondracula is the far-right counter-weight to the far-far-right Barnes.
Comment by Disputo — May 10, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
Just amazing.
Let’s invade a sovereign nation, overthrow the dictator, try him, and find him guilty of atrocities such as ethnic cleansing of Kurds and THEN let’s advocate for the ethnic cleansing of the less American-friendly minority so there is an American-friendly regime in place!
Yep, sounds like typical solid American foreign policy to me.
Comment by lunacy — May 10, 2007 @ 7:00 pm
#69 Not So Smart Hag
You are one twisted sister…..and as open minded as a sealed vault.
Comment by valiant venus
Ah, you dragged your assistant away from the open gas oven. Thanks.
I wouldn’t believe a single document you placed in front of me, even if the alleged god himself was vouching for you.
It’s disturbing that it means so much to you. Have you ever tried counseling?
Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Zoooey - Responding to your ignorant assumptions about my life is a waste of my time. Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
Considering how everything you post about yourself has been exposed as a BIG FAT LIE - that’s true!
The only thing you might believe are notarized copies of my birth certificate, diplomas, marriage certificate, my childrens’ birth certificates, my bar card, my business card - - and I’m just not even going to go there. Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
Or stories and *values* that don’t constantly contradict themselves, and demonstrate the implausibility of your *cover* identity. Don’t ever go into *spy* work, you’re too st*pid, and incompetent to be worthwhile to anyone but our enemies.
You are one twisted sister…..and as open minded as a sealed vault. Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
Pure Projection as usual, from the st*pid Nazi C*nt.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 10, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
Zooey’s playing with her food again. Bad Zooey.
Comment by gummitch — May 10, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
I agree that the Saudis ( and the Syrians and Jordanians) would not sit Idly by and watch the Sunnis get massacred. While the Sunnis are a minorty in Iraq ( Got that Mr. President?) they are a majority of the Muslims and a Big Majority of the Arabs. Unfortunately, 80% of the Middle Eastern Oil is under Shiite populated lands. If this situation gets “Dirty”, I hope you have free parking for your car.
I wonder how Kondrakes’ comments are being received by folks in the cafes and homes in the Middle East. I’m betting Al Jazera will mention it.
Comment by Badger — May 10, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
It’s disturbing that it means so much to you. Have you ever tried counseling? Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Someone as Waco as Mighty C*nt always thinks everyone else is the Crazy… What a sad pathetic excuse for a human being that little bag of sh*t is.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 10, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
KONDRACKE: Yes. Absolutely. I mean, if there was ever somebody who matched the - the old saying, “Hanging is too good for him,” it’ Saddam Hussein. He’s - he got convicted of killing 148 people, but he was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and even more Iranians.
BARNES: I saw some of the mass graves when I went to Iraq a couple of years ago, and I - look, I rank Saddam with Hitler, Mao and Stalin as one of the great mass killers of all time.
KONDRACKE: Yes…
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,240681,00.html
Comment by OxyCon — May 10, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
Zooey’s playing with her food again. Bad Zooey.
Comment by gummitch
That was brilliant!
Comment by trueblue — May 10, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
In another thread someone once said that ignoring the ‘trolls’ would make them go away. It worked.
Ignore them and don’t fall for their obnoxious baiting.
Comment by lunacy — May 10, 2007 @ 7:07 pm
Zooey’s playing with her food again. Bad Zooey.
Comment by gummitch
When I’m good, I’m very good. But when I’m bad, I’m better.
–Mae West (mangled, to be sure)
Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
Zooooette - You believe nothing I (or God Almighty) would say to you, accuse me of not responding to your unbelievability…..why do you waste your time?? You poor, pathetic….thing.
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
“Zooey’s playing with her food again. Bad Zooey.”
Comment by gummitch
It’s hard to play with her food with a strait-jacket on……….
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
Zooey, she is hard to ignore. I’m reminded of a line from a Zappa song:
“I may be vile and pernicious,
But you can’t look away…”
Comment by Bluedog49 — May 10, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Miniblue saw Haggett’s My Space.
Said she looked like a “Bar Wench”
Oh, out of the mouths of babes……….
:D
Comment by trueblue — May 10, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
#81 Poor Pitiful Haggie
I don’t know why you seek my attention to such an extent.
Maybe there’s a lesson to be learned in “The Book of Virtues?”
Please settle…..or no baloot for dessert.
Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
“I make you think I’m delicious,
with the things that I say…”
Comment by heyzeus — May 10, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
Saddam Hussein. He’s - he got convicted of killing 148 people, but he was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and even more Iranians.
How can these conservative commentators ignore the fact that when Saddam was doing all this killing, he was America’s ally.?? There was a vote in congress to cut agriculatural aid to Iraq after he gassed the Kurds, and our congress voted it down as too EXTREME!
Comment by Badger — May 10, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
why don’t you just go to some chat room with that sh*t talk? I am sure Yahoo would allow you to form a group where you all could get off.
Comment by lunacy — May 10, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
I think she has a girl- crush on you, Zooey.
But of course she must disguise her lust for you with anger, rather than face the truth.
Comment by trueblue — May 10, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
It’s hard to play with her food with a strait-jacket on……….
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
More projection. Or maybe it’s hard for her food to fight back, when it should BE in a straitjacket like you?
Poor little st*pid c*nt! You actually believe everyone else is screwed up - how SAD for you!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 10, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
But of course she must disguise her lust for you with anger, rather than face the truth. Comment by trueblue — May 10, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Well we have an eating disorder, some serious gender confusion, an inflated sense of self worth and value, she’s pretty much a PHD research paper on abnormal psychology. Poor little hateful piece of sh*t. You could have pity for her, if she wasn’t such a whiny spiteful little c*nt.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 10, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
A 28% fool. There is something sick and dishonest about any female who professes to be a troglodyte supporter. Assraped as a child or something.
Comment by kasinca — May 10, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
Wow, I wonder what other minorities in Kondracke’s mind don’t know their place?
“so far they’ve refused to accept that they’re a minority. They will have to do so eventually, one way or another.”
Comment by ds — May 10, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
just $19 billion annually can end starvation and $15 billion provides water and sanitation all over the world.
Comment by ellec — May 10, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
I like that, “JUST” $19 billion annually. You left out “from American tax payers handed over to leaders who are already stealing aid sent to help their people. But they wouldn’t steal any of the $19 billion, would they? ;)
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any civilized nation or even uncivlized nation would not allow such racist remarks on tele - they would be fired immediately
Im shocked and that takes quite a lot
Comment by Tobey Tall — May 10, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
In other words, no country would allow racist remarks on television? They do. It’s commonly known as freedom of speech and can be regulated by viewers turning the channel.
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Kondracke Advocates Ethnic Cleansing…
“Kondracke, the “left-leaning” counterpart to Weekly Standard editor Fred Barnes on Fox News’ The Beltway Boys, acknowledges that his “winning dirty” policy will lead to ethnic cleansing:”
Once again, a TP headline misleads. Rather like the one that said 11 Republicans “berated” Bush, when the article said they “pleaded” with Bush. Sounds like the writers are getting a little carried away.
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this is the best way to deal with terrorism, war, and anger, right? just kill and maim everyone who opposes the imperial power.
Comment by stopthecons — May 10, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
The insurgents can either cooperate and have a minority representation in the elected government, or we can leave and let the majority kill them off. I’m thinking, if I was an insurgent, maybe I’d settle for the minority position. But, hey, the choice is theirs.
Comment by upright left — May 10, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
Auntie Hag,
More of your made-up stories, please!
Comment by Con Junior — May 10, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
#53 Comment by Tobey Tall — May 10, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
Thanks for the link! Fascinating!
I remember while selling back in the mid 60s that this exact proposal was being pushed by neo Nazis, The couched with an anology about “long beaked bugs vs short beaked bugs” trying to get food through the thick bark of a tree. All about the survival of the fittest. (If the bark was thick one year etc.)
Poor Darwin must be spinning in his grave at the way his name is being used.
These neo Nazis never disappear! Today they are called neocons. My, aren’t we being politically correct these days. These neo Nazis should be called by their real name so their evil philosophy could be more easily seen.
Comment by Merlin — May 10, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
Baloot
(Phillipines) (This is spelled Baloot, Baalut, Baluge, or Balute.) Half-hatched chicken egg. A baluge is a fifteen- or sixteen-day fertilized chicken egg. Open an egg and pop a sixteen-day-old incomplete chicken fetus into your mouth, complete with partially formed feathers, feet, eyeballs, and blood vessels showing through the translucent skin of the chick. My grandfather told me about this. He says the bad part is picking the feathers out of your teeth
ewwwwwwwww!
Comment by trueblue — May 10, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
#90 Comment by trueblue — May 10, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
I think she has a girl- crush on you, Zooey.
But of course she must disguise her lust for you with anger, rather than face the truth.
Oh, oh, Zooey, you really got too smooth with my sweetie. Now look who is in trouble!
Good thing I am not the jealous sort.
Comment by Merlin — May 10, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
Let’s spell it…
Konsentrashun camps
Then nobody’ll figure it out.
Comment by RUCerious — May 10, 2007 @ 7:41 pm
Oh, oh, Zooey, you really got too smooth with my sweetie. Now look who is in trouble!
Good thing I am not the jealous sort.
Comment by Merlin
Self-loathing woman….she’ll never be at peace with herself. :D
Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
Wow, I wonder what other minorities in Kondracke’s mind don’t know their place?
“so far they’ve refused to accept that they’re a minority. They will have to do so eventually, one way or another.”
Comment by ds
Precisely. In Kondracke’s mind “minority” equates with “powerless”, “useless”, “disposable.”
His imaginary Shi’ite government will, of course, be so grateful to their liberators that they will sign over oil rights to Western companies, and everything can go back to being safe and secure for resource removal.
Comment by gummitch — May 10, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
Baloot
ewwwwwwwww!
Comment by trueblue
Now, now, it’s Haggie’s favorite, especially with a nice glass of sugar tea.
Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
#97 Comment by trueblue — May 10, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
He says the bad part is picking the feathers out of your teeth
ewwwwwwwww!
Good description of troll food, wouldn’t you say?
Comment by Merlin — May 10, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
#102 Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
Now, now, it’s Haggie’s favorite, especially with a nice glass of sugar tea.
You one upped me here! I posted mine which should be seen now, before I read your better post. Bravo!
Comment by Merlin — May 10, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
The Sunnis in Iraq have been reluctant to cooperate with the Iraqi Government, and have even threatened to quit. Maybe Kondrakes comments are an orchestrated Trial Balloon to get their attention, and remind them of their perilous situation.
Comment by Badger — May 10, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
You one upped me here! I posted mine which should be seen now, before I read your better post. Bravo!
Comment by Merlin
Sorry, Merlin. :)
I’m headed back to studying.
Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
A Dirty War would invalidate the UN resolution giving the coalition a mandate to secure Iraq. And it would open all coaltion members, both in Iraq and at home, to charges of War Crimes.
Saudi Arabia has already stated it would invade Iraq to defend the Sunni population if the Americans are unable to protect them. And the Saudi King has refered to it as an illegal occupation.
BTW, the Sunni population may be a minority, but they form between 35-40% of the Muslim population. That is, about 8 million people. It doesn’t exactly sound like it will be a cakewalk to suppress these people. In fact, wasn’t Falluja an example of ethnic cleansing and dirty war? Did it work? Or did it turn more Iraqis against the Great Satan that is America.
ValianttheVenushater is, of course, eager to follow in her mentor Henry Kissinger’s footsteps as she orders the “disappearance of thousands of Iraqis suspected of not being WASPs. “What? You don’t recognize our Lord Jesus Christ as being bigger than Allah? Let me introduce you to a man who makes Jack Bauer look like a wimp.”
Comment by david — May 10, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
So, the answer to Saddam is creating a Shite “Saddam” rule. And for this…how many Americans and innocent Iraqis have died? And ultimately, Iran will control and then perhaps even absorb Iraq. And the Kurds will be done, as they have been betrayed over and over again through many decades. Insanity.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — May 10, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
Badger, what have you been smoking?
Ahem, the Sunni Iraqis are part of the Iraqi government, you idiot. Of course you probably thought those Texas Democrats who boycotted the gerrymandering of the districts were criminals who should have been jailed for hiding outside of the state.
Now, threatening members of the Iraqi legislature with genocide invalidates the UN resolution granting the coalition a mandate to secure Iraq. Unless you intend to rename the USMC the Waffen-SS, I suggest you give it up, Badger and start behaving like you have some of this blood on your hands.
Comment by david — May 10, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
The fatal flaw in Bush’s plan to topple Saddam and bring Democracy to Iraq….Shiite Majority. True before we invaded…true today.
Comment by Badger — May 10, 2007 @ 8:05 pm
David… I KNOW Sunnis are part of the Govt. How can you threaten to Quit something, if you aren’t part of it.
I am suggesting that Kondrakes comments may have been orchestrated ….not by ME …maybe by Cheney… to scare the Sunnis into accepting a deal. And ad hominems don’t make your points any more valid.
Comment by Badger — May 10, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
Radical K*ranimal Sunnis and Shiites are already “ethnically cleansing” each other…..pitiful isn’t it? But in examining the way Shiites and Kurds were suppressed, tortured and executed on a wholesale basis during the “good ‘ol Saddam” days (which Progs seem to miss), I’m not surprised…..
Well too bad someone should have told the President and the clueless necons this would happen.
“There’s a certain amount of pop psychology in America that the Shia can’t get along with the Sunni and the Shia in Iraq just want to establish some kind of Islamic fundamentalist regime. There’s almost no evidence of that at all. Iraq’s always been very secular.” - Weekly Standard Editor, Fox News pundit, and TIME Magazine columnist Bill Kristol just after the Iraq War started:
Comment by WMD — May 10, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
See, we told you the war would be too hard, we’re a bunch of pussies, we just want to want to be outraged and not do a damn thing about anything because we might fail
Comment by Mr. President — May 10, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
#97 - It’s duck egg and not all that bad.
Comment by Dreary Urbanite — May 10, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
Mr. President. Speaking of failure, where is Osama? True or False…Al Zawahiri..al Qaeda’s number 2 wants us to stay in Iraq? True or false… Al Qaeda’s influence in the Arab World has Increased since we Invaded Iraq???
Comment by Badger — May 10, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
It’s duck egg and not all that bad.
Comment by Dreary Urbanite
Would you like a glass of sugar tea to wash that down?
Haggie wasn’t allowed dessert this evening.
Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
>You don’t wish Saddam were still in power
>and we had never gone into Iraq??
Smart people do. Care to explain why your hero Reagan agreed with us about who beleive saddam the lesser of two evils? Care to tell us where your blessed mnemonically challenged messsiah went wrong with his decision to support saddam?
And by the way, ZOoey is 100 percent right.. your a 100 percent fake. your an anorexic, self loathing non-lawyer non military methhead with more hair on her arms than her hair. I’ve repeatedly asked you questions anyone whose really a lawyer would know, and you repeatedly dodge the questions. No ones asking for your tax returns, they are just asking for information anyone whose in the position you claim to be would know. I hate that im giving you attention, because frankly, being a troll is the pinnacle of your lonely, hateful existence.
Comment by Choclate Jesus loves anulingus — May 10, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
“more hair on her arms than her head”. sorry im drunk…
Comment by Choclate Jesus loves anulingus — May 10, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
I’m sorry, Badger. Your comment didn’t place your observation in context and so I took it to mean you advocated threatening the Sunni. My apologies.
Of course, the Bush White House has marginalized the Sunnis from the start. And the Shi’a who would collaborate with the Americans are thought of as scum.
Comment by david — May 10, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
“more hair on her arms than her head”. sorry im drunk…
Comment by Choclate Jesus loves anulingus
It’s the best way to dela with that Hag.
Unfortunately, I’m stone-cold sober.
And studying……
Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
#116 – Zooey, I suppose a sugar tea would have to do. Primo beer is more traditional but I am no longer allowed. By not bad I meant the taste. Baalut looks like something out of a nightmare.
Comment by Dreary Urbanite — May 10, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
Dreary Urbanite,
Why do you think our Haggie loves it so? :P
We never give her alcohol — for obvious reasons.
Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
Ooh - MA got snotted while I was on the plane….. but still no ‘dead baby’ joke…. plenty of MA strawmen, which of course have already dried up and blown away.
Oh and Mort - the word you are looking for is ‘untermensch’…. you’re welcome.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — May 10, 2007 @ 9:21 pm
…google Roll Call- mort kondracke…
…and send a letter to the editor…
…kondracke is evil…
…and EVIL must be confronted on every level…
…every time it rears its disgusting visage…
Comment by big papa — May 10, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
Mort wrote a book about the death of his wife, Millie (?), who died of a very rapidly progressing parkinsons disease (the same disease my father has). It was a terrible, terrible experience for him. Some people arrive at a new understanding about our shared humanity through such experiences. Others are warped terribly. I leave it to you to decide in which way Mort was affected.
Comment by Viola Cella — May 10, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
‘know of only one Member of Congress who backs it — and he wants to stay anonymous.”
That ‘one Member of Congress’? — Joe Biden. Joe supports the break-up of Iraq plan.
Comment by Exley — May 10, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
Biden’s a tool - plagarist of a piss poor Brit politician’s speeches. At least pick a successful politician, Joe. Fathead.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — May 10, 2007 @ 10:32 pm
#35 - Zoooette
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
Truth hurts vagrant venom. You are a twisted, hateful, white trash freak. But you’re delusional sense of self importance is nothing but psychotic.
Get help or go away.
Comment by Shane — May 10, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
why do you waste your time?? You poor, pathetic….thing.
Comment by valiant venus
Why don’t you answer this question. You have no friends here. Nobody but you thinks you are intelligent. If we wanted to know what Rush had to say we would listen. Here’s a hint. He’s a lying idiot and so are you.
Maybe you haven’t noticed because you’re too busy quoting your icons, but every body here likes Zooey and despises you. Is there no where you could go where people respect you? If not then maybe you should take a hint.
Comment by Shane — May 10, 2007 @ 10:59 pm
> And studying……
My sympathies.. I just got done with that for the summer. Graduate in november..then take the bar next feb or july and I can start using the “judimicial systim” to get some justice around here…
Comment by Choclate Jesus loves anulingus — May 11, 2007 @ 1:30 am
Nice Democracy spreading…
Comment by Evil Spaniard — May 11, 2007 @ 7:20 am
We should acknowledge some of the painful truth in Kondracke’s comment. Civil wars are usually of the most vicious and immoral kind, and they are nearly always ended by complete suppression of one side (Romans, Nazis in Ukriane, US Civil War) or by fatigue on both sides (Northern Ireland). The civil war in Iraq will play out like other civil wars, and the longer the US stays there the longer it will last.
Kondrake fails to include the Saudi Arabian and other Sunni nations in his conclusion, but if the US was up to some diplomacy, maybe a peace could be brokered with SA, Iranian, Syrian, Jordanian, (regional) cooperation, with US pulling out as part of the deal.
Comment by highplainsjoker — May 11, 2007 @ 8:25 am
It’s about time someone starts desensitizing the nation to the inevitable. We all know the conseqences of anything but a permanent occupation. Of course, if it’s on Faux News, you make the guy who’s supposed to be the leftist do all the dirty work for you.
I’m not with the not-so-small matter of finding Shia “friendly to the US.” Translate that into “puppet government.” That ain’t gonna happen unless we’re there forever.
So what’ll it be, permanent occupation or let them settle their own differences? I say, let them settle their own differences.
Comment by trippin — May 11, 2007 @ 8:43 am
ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — could you please refrain from using such epithets as st*pid Nazi C*nt and the like? It doesn’t have nearly the affect on your advisaries as you would like, it adds nothing to your point, and actually, only serves to makes you look adolescent.
Comment by Binx — May 11, 2007 @ 9:20 am
My sympathies.. I just got done with that for the summer. Graduate in november..then take the bar next feb or july and I can start using the “judimicial systim” to get some justice around here…
Comment by Choclate Jesus loves anulingus
Cool. Good luck with the bar (way ahead of time, I know). I’m finishing my first semester today. I love it, and although I need a break, I can’t wait for fall. :)
Comment by Zooey — May 11, 2007 @ 11:34 am