Yeah, 2Wylde, that must be it. There can't be any other explanation or expectation. I admire your high opinion of people. On the other hand, how about a bravo for the man who tried to save her?

Absolutely, credit where credit is due...the gentleman who tried to help her deserves it.

I have been on the QM, have you? If she fell from the upper deck, she was climbing somewhere she didn't belong. You don't just topple over a railing for no reason.

Hmmm, I'm guessing alcohol and bad decisions were the cause to this tragedy.

Every time I read about accidents like this one, you can count on someone posting the "...well, they had it coming, because they shouldn't have been doing "X"...". A young woman has lost her life, during a time of the year in this country that brings families together and everyone is walking around humming 'Jingle Bells'. Now, instead of thinking about what this young woman would have wanted for Christmas, her family is now planning her funeral. And, from now on, every Christmas season will be a unique reminder of her death.

We all make mistakes. Maybe she WAS somewhere where she shouldn't have been. The point is - a young woman has lost her life here. Is showing a little compassion too much to ask, 2Wylde4U?

If you have ever been on a cruise ship you would realize that you can't "Fall Off". The only possible scenario to "fall off" would be if you climbed onto or over the railings, which are chest high.

Someone can JUMP off of a cruise ship or be THROWN off a cruise ship but they can't just "fall off".

I'm pretty sure you've been in places where you weren't supposed to be in your lifetime, huh, "wylde"? What's happened to the compassion in this crazy world? Guess most of us are getting a lttle too jaded to really give a damn anymore these days.

And to stupid to be posting Wylde,,how do you know where she was and what she was doing?

Some of the most intelligent people in the world assemble on the Newsvine. We can solve any mystery, no matter how difficult. Let's hear it for us. Hip hip hooray!

Yeah and you can also count on someone posting the"... well we all make mistakes...""You always try and justify someone no matter what they do.

@ 2Wylde4u......I have been on the Queen Mary multiple times, however I cannot say (nor would I dare even try to) how, where or why she fell to her death. So tell us again how you are so certain why this happened, because it's nothing but speculation, and to point your fingers, or lay blame is a stretch to say the least!!!! It is a tragedy, and unless she was in the act of trying to kill someone, does not in any way deserve it!!!!!!!!!!

To quote an old Meatloaf song: "you took the words right out of my mouth!"

It is NOT an easy thing to go over board on an ocean liner. The 'fences' are VERY tall.

My guess is she was either TRYING to kill herself, or TRYING to do something else wrong.

But like you said, that will not preclude her family from trying to score. Heck, they'll probably make the poor schmuck who tried to rescue her a party to the suit, AND the ones who hauled them both out.

kcurt....(#1.5).."If you have ever been on a cruise ship you would realize that you can't "Fall Off".

The Queen Mary is a Hotel, Restaurants....Tourist Destination....she fell off one of the walkways leading from the land to the boat.....from the video...looks like the top walkway....click the link in the article.

Maybe she just leaned forward too much.....

Hitting the water from 75 feet up....is just about the same as hitting concrete....and then you drown.

I'm sorry, but I'm confused... so, Wylde you're posting that you're almost certain she was somewhere she didn't belong? Please explain to me how you know this? On the walk way, there are railing pieces that connect with chain, perhaps one of the pieces of chains were loose and she moved over to let someone by and lost her footing? Maybe she had a heart attack, fell over the railing and drowned? Who knows. The possiblities are endless. But I can tell you one thing. You don't know.
Either way, this is what pisses me off about people these days. They never show compassion and automatically assume the worst in things. Death and dealing with death isn't a walk in the park. I doubt this woman wanted to die. Just wait until you suffer from a loved one dying. I'm not wishing it on you, but maybe then you'll see that they weren't in the wrong place at the wrong time. Death isn't something deserved, it happens to everyone whether you're the Queen of England or a homeless man.

I had a friend fall off the Coronado Bay bridge. She did not die.

A year later after healing she fell off again.

The end

Maybe she was Blonde and asked her friend, hey hold my beer and watch this???

Darwin strikes again.

I've been on the Queen Mary. You would have to be doing something off kilter to fall off the ship. Everything I saw while I was there was for the safety of the visitors. To fall off you would have to work at it or been thrown off.

@LoveBlue2

Thanks for being a caring soul. I wish the world was filled with more people like you.

loveblue2 said everything that there is to say so i'll just add, condolences to the family and a speedy recovery to the man who acted to save her.

Everyone can offer different opinions on what happened and how it happened. Lets face it folks, the only one that knew what happened is no longer here to tell us. So keep blogging what you don't know!

I didn't know that there were so many out of work 'CRUISE SHIP DIRECTORS' who knew their way around the Lido Deck of the Queen Mary with intricate engineering details of where the railings are.

Cruise Director today, CS Investigator tomorrow.

Very sorry that this happened...

Maybe she was trying to commit suicide.

Uh, yes, you can just "fall off" an ocean liner, even when it is in port. A 900+ foot wall of steel is a huge wind break. If the winds are more than moderate, the design of the ship and wind direction can combine to channel a gust of wind that could blow you right off your feet, even over a railing, leaving no evidence whatsoever. Until a proper investigation is done, it is too early to say what caused this woman to fall.

To danl-1413161:

Why are you flying our flag upside down?

2Wylde was right. See this from the LA Times article:

The 26-year-old Long Beach woman, whose name has not been released pending notification of family, had climbed over a railing of the ship before the fall. She tumbled from the walkway between the shore and the ship 75 feet into Long Beach Harbor, said Long Beach police spokeswoman Nancy Pratt. The woman was apparently "rather intoxicated" at the time, Pratt said. KTLA reported that witnesses said they heard the woman arguing with her boyfriend just before she fell and that she may have threatened to jump overboard. Pratt could not confirm those accounts.

It's still feel bad for her family.

But I do agree with 2Wylde, as I can't remember another incident where someone has fallen off a permanently docked museum ship before.

A woman in her 20s, on a cruise ship, in Long Beach, during the night, most likely a reunion or party of some sort - How could alcohol NOT have been involved in this???

Probably thought it was right side up

To J.Howard:

That's how everything looks to danl when his heads is up his (_!_)

2Wylde4U Apparently you have not only been on the Queen Mary and know every detail about the ship/hotel but you also know this young woman's family and you know the future and what actions this family will take. Wow that is some crystal ball you have there! Why didn't you stop the attacks on our Country on 9/11/01?

Ladies, please wear appropriate footwear, ALWAYS. And do not become too adventurous.

RIP, young lady. I feel sad.

Thank you to the bystander who jumped from the boat to try to save her. Thank you to the two cops who also entered the water to get her out of the water.

Flying a flag upside down means the country is in distress....I agree...I have one hanging in this fashion too...

It is also not a sign of disrespect. What is disrespect is that many of our flags are manufactured outside the country...In China...A communist country that backed the North Koreans and the Vietcong. They are not our friends.

Peace

I never said she deserved it. I said she was somewhere she should not have been doing something she should not have been doing. If you have bothered to read the updates you will see that she was drinking...and climbed over the rail. You don't have to be psychic to have seen something like that coming. You can call me jaded all you want...but I was right. No, you don't have to be psychic to see the lawsuit coming either...because noone in this country is held responsible for their own behaviour anymore. I feel bad for her family...please feel free to call me heartless for saying that their grief is her fault.

Woman DIES after fall....but headline lead appears to know more than they are saying...that she was killed after the fall, so who ever pushed her must have had to go down and finish the job...hmmm

No--she died of her injuries later in the hospital--READ the article again. She was NOT dead when pulled out of the ocean. Close to it--but not dead.........yet!

The headline is retarded. She wasn't killed at all. She died as a result of injuries sustained due to the fall. The headline makes it sound like falling off the Queen Mary is punishable by death.

What was the account of the fall according to the boyfriend?? He was right there wasn't he?? He otta know what happened.

dano

SoB: That's exactly what I thought! Apparently MSNBC has fired all headline editors to save a buck.

Good lord, no kidding! And the grammar - she 'landed... into the water'. Does MSNBC not hire journalists or do journalism schools not teach people the language any more?

I thought the same thing. I was wow she survives falling off the Queen Mary only to be killed later on. That really sucks!

My friend at work suggested that the article really meant that the woman killed someone else after falling off the Queen Mary.

Yes, I was imagining them dragging her out of the water and shooting her. Punishment didn't seem to fit the crime.

Nope Gregorovich. Dhay ain't wanting to kare anymoure (the 'e' is silent).

I'm with you. I'm not a fan of English or spelling police on the vine since most of us are just typing a quick comment and moving on. However, someone who is employed as an author or publisher should be a bit more diligent.

I had to re-read the title to see what you meant. And you've got a point. What do you expect from a country where most high school seniors, can't read past or up to the 8th grade level. True? Today's journalist are no better at their jobs than most of these high schoolers we're pushing through the school systems nationwide. And what really made this a joke on the journalist is the fact that instead of writing this out by hand, he/she did it on a computer that is equipped with spell check and other programs to aid them in putting out a decent article. Oh and by the way...what happened to PROOF-READING, the article before it went to the publisher? Nothing new in a country that is slowly becoming the stupidest county in the world. AND WE LET IT HAPPEN...

how'bout:

Fatal: Woman's Queen Mary Fall

I think it's obvious that Queen Mary was out for vengeance. Queen Mary wasn't f*king around as we like to say. Queen Mary, murdered mary.

But really though, to quote:

The woman somehow fell ...

...investigators said the death appears accidental.

How then does this information somehow equal that this woman was later on, killed. It makes it sound like someone choked her out with a pillow at the hospital rather than suffering fatality from hypotheric/fall injuries

I'm in! Stupid headline followed by this gem:

"landed 75 feet below into the frigid water"

Wow. Landed into the water. . . and then put to death for her efforts.

Next headline should read: English Language Butchered by Idiots at MSNBC.

Check your history books: Queen Mary was the biggest queen in all of England! Good call out. :)

What the hell is the Queen Mary??? Do you live under a rock or something, Randy-699352?

What the hell is the Queen Mary? A ship? Nice reporting.

The QUEEN MARY is a retired trans-Atlantic ocean liner. She sailed for the Cunard Line for 31 years from 1936 to 1967, and has been in Long Beach since then. Look it up if you want to know more.

Great cut n paste Anus!

I believe the point was that there was no explanation in the article at all. A news article should be able to be self explanatory. Some younger folk may not know what the queen mary is, or 100 years from now someone looking through archives, or someone overseas reading up on the news heaven forbid. But then I am probably expecting too much based on the headline implying something entirely different.

Randy,

What is the Queen Mary?? OMG you can't be serious!!

The Queen Mary is also reputed to be haunted. My first thought when I read that she fell was...."maybe she offended one of the ghosts and they pushed her!"

I feel for her family, at what is supposed to be one of the happiest times of the year and they are having to plan her funeral. My condolences.

Randy is RIGHT. Should be "falling off THE Queen Mary." Not just "falling off Queen Mary." Omitting the definite article makes it sound like the girl fell off a very large woman. And was then put to death.

Great posts, Miker. This former law review editor could not have written it better!

Hey Miker,

"Falling off Queen Mary"?? I figured that was what the King did every evening//?? LOL

and the wind...cries mary...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvXstzHzkXk

KRONKITE...who read the story to you...?I

It did not ORIGINATE at MSNBC it is the responsibility of KNBC of LA.

It violates the code of ethics to alter another organizations story...

AND by running it WHOLE & UNedited it places the embarrassment squarely on the WRITERS & absolves this outlet of any responsibility...... you see you have to read the whole thing as it was written and not just the parts you have comprehension with !

That's not true., One can be killed in an accident, e.g. "She was killed in a car accident." Has nothing to do with murder.

True alohaman, but it would be more correct to say "killed in the fall from". "killed after" means that some other person/accident/god/etc killed her. In that tense "died after" and "killed after" mean two entirely different things.

While I agree the grammar could be clearer, technically the headline is accurate. She was killed (by the fall) AFTER falling. As they say...it isn't the fall that kills you, but the sudden stop at the end. So, she fell and wasn't dead. After she fell, she died. So she was killed by the fall after falling.

Nice try Ryan, but no. She died in the hospital from injuries/hypothermia that resulted from the fall. She died after she was rescued alive. So no, not killed after the fall. Died after the fall.

It is more entertaining than the facts.

Certainly, don't let the facts get in the way of forming an opinion.

Uh, possibly because speculating on exactly what happened - especially in lieu of anything resembling actual reporting with stuff like facts and answers to the 5 Ws - is the entire point of a discussion board?

****SIGH****

The Provocation Unsolicited advice from a former newspaper editor:

Sir (or ma'am) - you are EXACTLY right! Now, get your a55 back to work! Apparently all news editors have become "former" editors. . .

well then...the head line...should have said...Woman Bored Too Death....

yep...somebody had to load the crack pipe...while the other typed...whose got the crack...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsubHmx2Pws

It's actually pretty cold.

Captain Dave--PRETTY cold. And hypothermia can occur in ANY water that is below body temp.

I live at the Lake of the Ozarks, and standard yearly joke in my family is that I won't get into the water until 4th of July, or when the water is 84 degrees, whichever comes later. But I PREFER it to be 88 degrees!

The Pacific is NEVER that warm. Not in OUR neck of the woods!

The Pacific Ocean is actually pretty cold in the early morning, particularly in the winter.

The water temp this time is about 60 degrees or so. I personally don't consder that "frigid". But yes you can get hypothermia form 60 degree water. As to MoMaid, we swam regualrly in teh Pacific up around santa barbara form April to November. Cold but great fun.

This time of year in the 50"s

Perhaps of interest - The Titanic is the most famous ocean liner.

I agree Miami. It is always sad when someone dies like that. Especially one so young. If it was suicide, that is even worse. We will never really know but, I am comforted to realize there are still people who react and atleast try to help. That guy must have a huge heart. I am sure he is very upset he couldn't save that child. It is also wonderful to hear from another decent human being (you). I get depressed myself reading some of these mornic posts.

I spent my Honeymoon on the QM - Melissa, why did you leave me? Can we start anew? I promise I wont tell anyone of your insatiable urges, not to mention the overbite. Oh, and the fact that you thought QM stood for Queen Melissa! Come back to me, PLEASE!!!!

Heheheh...........sum.

Melissa please return to your begging man. So Sum if she is Queen, would that not make you King? She's has the power...But Damn it you wear the pants. "Just don't tell the Queen".

Meilissa... ! You're married!? What!! Why didn't you tell meeeeeee!!!! Aauugghhhh!!!!!!

Agree!

I thought that was just common knowledge

If they also have Unicorns, leprechauns, and the Tooth Fairy I'm booking a cruise today!

Wow Phuneeghai, I totally believe you. I have been there, but did not take the tour. There have been so many reports on this activity that the first thing I thought that she was pushed. Tell me more about your experience.

Say What????? I've been on the ship a couple times and i've never seen anything to indcate paranormal activity, please man put down the kool aid!

As for the fall i have to agree with those that question her activities leading up to the fall you don't just fall from the upper deck of any cruise ship. To those screaming where is the compassion, talk to me when her families lawyers get done with Cunard. I have a tough time feeling compassion for people who do stupid things and get hurt. Her actions also came close to claiming another persons life while trying to save her.

Thunder Storm-

We were on the lower deck near the Captain's Quarters, I was taking a photo of my friend and his wife when I heard this thud noise and my wife yell. I turned around and she was looking at me angry and asked if I threw a life ring at her which was on the ground by her feet. I said no, my friend vouched for me. She told me that the life ring hit her in the back and almost knocked her down. When we spoke with one of the tour guides about it he said it wasn't the first time he heard that from a visitor. Haven't been back since.

Agreed, QM is haunted..

and the wind... whispers mary...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvXstzHzkXk