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    National polls are meaningless at this stage in the election

    One would think that Gallup, Pew, Rasmussen, every sufficiently wealthy news organization and anyone else interested in conducting a poll would be familiar with the basics of the American electoral system. Why they all insist on continuing to waste precious ink on national polls, then, is completely mystifying.

    Gallup's latest poll of registered voters reports that former Gov. Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama are tied nationally, 48 to 48 percent. Gallup's latest poll of likely voters, based on a complex set of assumptions about voter turnout, has Romney leading Obama by 5 percentage points, 51 to 46.

    These figures are based on a national sample, so they theoretically include voters from Ohio, Florida and Virginia. They also include voters from Wyoming, California, Alabama, Delaware and about 40 other states whose voters could not possibly be any less relevant to the outcome on Nov. 6.

    At this stage in the election, like any sufficiently close election, the fate of the candidates rests with fewer than a half-dozen states. The continuing snapshots of national polls are useful for pollsters and academics, who are interested in things like expected vote share or the probability of victory in the national popular vote. Most stakeholders care only about the likelihood of victory in the Electoral College, and a national poll is not very useful at this point.

    This is why most prognosticators consider Obama to have a far higher chance of victory than the national polls would suggest. The Signal has Obama at a 65 percent chance of victory, while Nate Silver gives him a 75 percent chance against Romney. A small, demented chorus of observers has recently dinged Silver for this conclusion, citing various gut feelings to the contrary.

    Odds of Obama victory vs. polls

    Sources: Betfair, Intrade, IEM, HuffPost's Pollster and RealClearPolitics

    Any way you slice it, Obama is leading in states that account for well over 270 electoral votes. As we've said a million times before, Obama needs only Ohio, Florida or Virginia to prevent Romney from reaching 270 electoral votes in most scenarios. Romney needs all three.

    Romney maintains a slight lead in aggregations of many polls. HuffPost's Pollster listed six new polls on Monday, and Obama led in only one. Romney led in three of these, and two were are tied. Pollster, which has a very transparent method of aggregation, combines all recent polls and has Romney up 47.4 to 47.2. RealClearPolitics, which aggregates polls with a completely opaque method, has Romney up 47.6 to 46.7.

    If you are a poll junkie and you need your latest fix, I suggest following the latest polls in Florida, Virginia and Ohio. If you are still obsessing over national polls, I suggest you brush up on the Constitution. Just in case, here's a link. It's free.

    Follow the state-by-state and overall presidential predictions in real time with PredictWise.com.

    David Rothschild has a Ph.D. in applied economics from the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania. Follow him on Twitter @DavMicRot.

     

    2,835 comments

    • The weazel,  •  1 hr 24 mins ago
      VOTE . BY ALL MEANS VOTE .
      • John 16 secs ago
        My vote is in....OBAMA 2012
    • C  •  2 hrs 7 mins ago
      Articles like this are meaningless at this stage in the election
      • BeemR 47 secs ago
        It's hysterical the lengths the liberal media will try to influence you to vote their way. Ridiculous, goofy, biased Yahoo.
    • joe s  •  1 hr 31 mins ago
      Funny how Yahoo did not have an article like this when many were questioning earlier polls that showed Obama was "winning".
      • plain truth joe 2 mins 29 secs ago
        Ronnie thats why were in this shape because of you democrats making this a raciest thing better candidate my butt biggest lier and he don,t tell the truth untile he gets caught likie the scandle in libia.
    • Rob  •  1 hr 16 mins ago
      Yahoo kept posting POLLS showing Obama leading....NOW yahoo is posting NOT to look at POLLS?????? Gotta love this "YAHOO" site!!!!
      • Mark 7 mins ago
        not a blanket insult for everyone, I'm sure there are some conservative people on here not all dips hit Liberals
    • D  •  19 mins ago
      LOL the media has been quoting the polls all year as long as Obama is winning. Now, according to the polls Romney is winning, and a poll showing 60 % either do not trust or believe anything the media says anymore comes out, and all of a sudden the media does not like the polls anymore. HMMMM , I wonder why.
    • Jace M  •  1 hr 21 mins ago
      I'm wondering, would this same article have been written if the numbers were reversed?
      • phoenix 8 mins ago
        Republicans, and independents, if you don't get out and vote, shame on you. It can be a write in for all I care. At least have some turn out this election though.
    • Janie in TX  •  1 hr 15 mins ago
      This is hilarious! When Obama was ahead in the polls, they told us the election was already over, but now, we aren't supposed to pay attention to polls.
      • W L 3 mins 29 secs ago
        Sherrie, Move. There are a lot more desirable places to live other than chicago ill.
    • Mark  •  12 mins ago
      One thing this article failed to mention is NEVER, NEVER TRUST YAHOO !!!
    • Nick  •  13 mins ago
      All of the Kool-Aid drinkers have finally realized their Messiah is going to lose this election after polls that had him up by 10 to 15 points in September now have become a dead heat or show the Chosen One is losing. Otherwise they would be crowing about their candidate.
      Just like in the Wizard of Oz, they hope independent voters won't pay attention to the man behind the curtain. They should realize they're not in Chicago anymore and he can't win.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  27 mins ago
      Hmmmmmm . where was this when Obama was leading in the polls?
    • Alex  •  15 mins ago
      Yahoo!, Are you reading these comments?
      If you were, you would realize that the VAST MAJORITY of your users are Conservatives and WE ARE NOT BUYING INTO YOUR PROPAGANDA.
      • Bruce L 8 mins ago
        @gurney
        Romney leads in Ohio, Face it.
    • Askew  •  15 mins ago
      Thanks David, I guess anyone in those states should stay home and not vote since you have already decreed Obama the winner. Ok, it's over. nothing to see here, move on... move on... Dave said it... now move on. Obama voters should just stay home next tuesday as it is already "previsioned" F/kn Tard!
      • Ars 7 mins ago
        He is a Major F@@@ing Tard!!!
    • Sebastian  •  20 mins ago
      Pretty desperate, Yahoo.
    • Apuesto  •  35 mins ago
      Top careers for democrats; OWS demonstrator, welfare recipient and crack dealer. The enterprising democrats have three jobs
    • Atahachi  •  39 mins ago
      Polls are meaningless when they don't say what you want them to say......Yahoo
    • Scott  •  42 mins ago
      The polls are only useless when repuplicans are leading according to yahoo and all the other liberal media.
    • Ron  •  19 mins ago
      YAHOO News is meaningless at this stage in the election
    • JPK  •  11 mins ago
      Every time Obama leads a poll, it all you read about. Now that he is behind, these same reporters say they are meaningless. #$%$.
      • Michael S 2 mins 47 secs ago
        That's because 'those' reporters are meaningless and never see themselves for whoe they really are..
    • TLD  •  18 mins ago
      Oh by the way last months unemployment numbers " accidentally " left out California largest population with 12% unemployment - Gee I wonder how that happened?
    • NOVEMBER 6TH  •  42 mins ago
      Obama is leading in the Electoral College because Conservatives don't have time to take polls, because we have jobs!!!

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