alright, so finally last night I tried H for the first time after being a big oxy and pretty much prescription opiate junky. I got two buttons in St. Louis for $30 (two gel caps filled with powder).

but my question is, the dude that took me to get 'em him and his girl both did one so I know they weren't fucking with me. so I did one myself later that night (because I already had 120mg of oxy going on in me.)

but anywyz, my question is, is that it was white. I didn't have to chop any of it up or anything it was just white powder, I've been told by other people that they normally shoot them up.

and then I did the 2nd one this morning when I woke up after all the other drugs wore off, its deinetly a pain killer of sometype that has somewhat of a longer lasting effect (so I'm guessing its not fentanyl).

does anyone else around the st. louis area get any of these white powder buttons and know what they are?

alright, so finally last night I tried H for the first time after being a big oxy and pretty much prescription opiate junky. I got two buttons in St. Louis for $30 (two gel caps filled with powder).

but my question is, the dude that took me to get 'em him and his girl both did one so I know they weren't fucking with me. so I did one myself later that night (because I already had 120mg of oxy going on in me.)

but anywyz, my question is, is that it was white. I didn't have to chop any of it up or anything it was just white powder, I've been told by other people that they normally shoot them up.

and then I did the 2nd one this morning when I woke up after all the other drugs wore off, its deinetly a pain killer of sometype that has somewhat of a longer lasting effect (so I'm guessing its not fentanyl).

does anyone else around the st. louis area get any of these white powder buttons and know what they are?

I was under the impression fent was long lasting. Was it oxy?

Could be CHINA WHITE-but i doubt it.

wasn't oxy, I know what oxy tastes like, again thats my drug of choice.
its even more o a downer than oxy.

on another board, I've been told around other parts of the world these are known as "scramble". which means it has heroin in it, but it usually has a bunch of other filler. but that you still get more heroin for your money than if you were to buy just pure.

Pure Heroin is white....

I was under the impression fent was long lasting. Was it oxy?


I could be wrong but I thought fent was very short lasting, which is why it's often used as a patch -- taking the patch makes it many hours before peak concentration. If I search "fentanyl half life" on google, a dozen pages come up all saying it has different half-lifes! Ranging from 30 minutes to 20 hours. I haven't had fent but I thought (again my memory may be off) I recall others saying they recognize injecting fent laced H by a full body type pain relief feeling and a relatively short high.


Fentanyl has a very short half-life. Transcutaneous patches allow a noninvasive, nonenteral route of opioid delivery, which can be very useful.
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pure heroin can be white, but this was undoubtedly not pure heroin.

also, there are different types of fentanyl, some that are very short, and some that are very long. different analogs or whatever.

hard to say what *exactly* you had, but u brin up a good point. as an organic chem., i can tell you, that there arer a re a myriad of diff. "fent" analogs; hell there are even methyl- spinoffs, sso to speak, and "alpha-methyl-fentanyls" floating around out there. you could have gotten anyone of them, or all of them. It's true that Fent. and *a few* of its analogs are very short just like fentanyl itself, but in combination, the effects can last for a good 4 - six hours. A lot of the narcotics in the fent class are white, like the powder in your capsule, and although pure heroin is indeed white, it's *highly* doubtful that you got lab grade diacetylmorphine, in my opinion. Shit, I hope this helps, a little bit. And oh yeah, any asshole w college chem exp. can cook up any one of these w a little practice. not recommended, but possible nevertheless.
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holy crap!! cmon peeps theres a few different grades of powdered heron theres deff china white and then ya can go with the afghani brown and that comes in diferent grades #1 and #2 and so on. i am not an authority but this shit has been discussed to death here before. personally if it has that vinegar smell then i'm drooling untill i get some in me.
when china white first came around the purity levels went thru the roof cause peeps werent able to guage the potency by smelling or looking at it. anyway what the hell do i know?
dawgg,:rolleyes:

wasn't oxy, I know what oxy tastes like, again thats my drug of choice.
its even more o a downer than oxy.

on another board, I've been told around other parts of the world these are known as "scramble". which means it has heroin in it, but it usually has a bunch of other filler. but that you still get more heroin for your money than if you were to buy just pure.

I dont do H but I know people that do. It's true you get more H for your money by buying scramble, but you get alot more dirtyness in your dope. As for what you had I dont have a clue cuz i dont use the stuff.

alright, today I learned how to "hit a block up" is what it was called. I was scared as fuck, white boy in the ghetto, all these black guys walked up to my car, but the passenger was the one doing business, and my window don't work, so I just pointed to my passenger, and they walked over, he handed him the money and then we had to drive around the block and come back and he handed him the buttons.

WAY better than the other ones. I did one and a half and then swallowed both the caps that had a bit of residue we coudlnt' knock out and I felt good. he siad its the best around right now, and it was still white. even had the vinegar smell this time.

I dunno if there is any brown around here, if anyone is in the st. louis area and knows of brown, lemme know, all I'm finding is white, even though its working.

as or what was in them, the ones I took today felt the same, only stronger, and this had more of the vinegar smell. so I'm guessing it was heroin, just mixed with other shit.

You drove the block!! and they came back!!-you got lucky so enjoy man.

well, I didn't know the people. the guy I was taking said he knew the guy, and it was his money, I got a button and a half for free for the ride. I dont' think I would've done that myself with my money. btw, furter up the street from where I stopped I had a bunch of black guys yelling stuff at me, and I know if I would've stopped for them I probably would've caught a brick in the face or something, and I made sure the only thing I had on me was drivers liscence, pocket knife, keys, and insurance card.

well, 3 days after buttons and the last day I did 'em I also took 50mg of diazepam. I was hella sore the next day, sucked, but then I got seven of the 7.5 vicodin, and someone gave me about 10mg bump of his oxy.

(it was half an 80, and I got roughly a quarter of the line, so rough estimation 10mg) which kicked it up a notch and made me feel better, definetley got rid of the aches and pains.

today, I'm not feeling well, but definetley better than yesterday before the vicodin.

They had a story on CNN just tonight. They were talking about how the amount and quality of H has shot up (no pun intended) recntly in the St.Louis area. They gave out the usual scare tactics about newbs od'ing on the stuff and how kids in high school were using it as their newest designer drug.

According to the story, this stuff is strong enough that you can get high nicely by smoking it.... no need to shoot up. They kept referring to the stuff as china white, but that doesn't necessarily mean it really is.

Did anyone else see the same story.... if so, what do you think?

well, I can tell you, I normally do 80mg of oxy, and I've done one and a half of these buttons three days in a row, I didnt' really get super high or even high enough to nod until the last day when I did 50mg of diazepam with it, and i think it was mostly the valium working their stuff. and btw, this was the only time I ever had like physical w/d's and I hurt so bad in my legs, arms, and lower back.

I don't even know how much the shit was costing, first day I think I spent $20 and got one and talked them into giving me half another of one of theirs (because I"m sure with my money there was atleast one free one thrown in).

the second day, I got one and a half for gving the kid a ride, and the third day I actually did drop $25 and got one and a half.

its just not worth it in my opinion, because apparently they dont' have small time dealers of the stuff locally, you have to go to the city, in the ghetto, give your money to someone you don't know, and drive around the block and HOPE that they got your dope, and not a gun or a brick.

thats just not my scene, I think I'll stick to my oxycontin, and the occasional morphine or methadone.

Why dont you think its heroin? all this talk of china on this forum is boring me, heroin comes in all shapes and forms. The term china white has no relevance on the modern dope scene anywhere...today it is just a term used to define good quality white heroin.

It's anyone's guess what you got. If you say it was very sedating, then I'm thinking morphine or H. Probably just china / better-than-average H.

Just out of curiosity, how much is in a gel-cap? I've never gotten them before. Is it theoretically 100mg like a bag? And if so, that's not a bad price for 2 for $30, at least where I'm at.

I didn't say I didn't think it was heroin.

and yeah, I'm guessing it was about .1g, also, I think they cost $10 a piece where I went.

but after just 3 days of doing it once a day, I hurt so bad. I took 75mg of vicodin that night with a bump of oxy and felt better the next day. haven't done anything since, I think its sober day 2 or 3 now.

I called my guy and asked if he knew where to get any xanax or valium, but he said no, and then I asked for some morphine, and he said he coudlnt' get that either.

I'm really trying to stay away from pain killers, but if I do do them, I want methadone or oxy. those are the two that I know I like. because honestly morphine is pretty nice, I get all red splotchy, but I can get high on $20 worth of morphine (120mg), but I ended up getting some weed with my $20, so thats good.

I'm in StL and I can tell ya they arent mixed with Fent. I knew a guy that was pushing that shit and braging about how it was killing people. He wasnt selling it in buttons. I've gotten the buttons youre talking about and they definantly arent fent. I dont reccomend getting them either. There is a lot better stuff out here that is far more pure. Those buttons are cut to all shit.

I'm in StL and I can tell ya they arent mixed with Fent. I knew a guy that was pushing that shit and braging about how it was killing people. He wasnt selling it in buttons. I've gotten the buttons youre talking about and they definantly arent fent. I dont reccomend getting them either. There is a lot better stuff out here that is far more pure. Those buttons are cut to all shit.

most do-pizzle is.

I'm in StL and I can tell ya they arent mixed with Fent. I knew a guy that was pushing that shit and braging about how it was killing people. He wasnt selling it in buttons. I've gotten the buttons youre talking about and they definantly arent fent. I dont reccomend getting them either. There is a lot better stuff out here that is far more pure. Those buttons are cut to all shit.


well, I'm not racist or anything, but going into the ghetto was scary for me, so unless you got a spot thats less sketchy, I'm sticking to my pills. and yes, I must agree, they were most definetly cut to shit, I never once got high from 'em. just that "ok" feeling.

I dont reccomend going and hanging out anywhere waiting for drugs to come to you. I got a guy that I goto thats not scetchy at all. Maybe we could hang out sometime... Heh. Sounds kinda fucked I guess, but anything is better than those buttons. I do everything I can to avoid those.

What yall are calling buttons is just scramble up here. I dont fuck with that shit I get raw (comes in vials) But some stuff that comes in gel caps and be bomb it just depends on what spot you are at.

well, after doing that for 3 days and then stopping i was in more pain than doing oxy's for 2 weeks and stopping.

so I don't even worry about it anymore, I just worried about it until I tried it. I'd try it again, if someone brought me some and said you should try this, its fucking kill. then I'd ask if I could try a sample.

This thread is full of so many half truths and complete bullshit it's....well is partly histerical and partly disturbing. Only one maybe two posts were actually accurate with what they had to say.
Ive been gone for a month a most every post is looking this way. Fucking hell.

"Pure heroin is white"
What?? What exactly qualifies as "pure" heroin anyway? If the dope is white that doesnt mean anything when it comes to purity.

Real fucking informative. This is most upsetting.... if you think im being harsh its cause i am and its because this post is my whipping boy of sorts.

hey big guy im simply stating that pure heroin is white, im not stating that hes getting pure heroin but that is indeed the "color" of it. Look it up if you don't believe me...

it was definetly not pure, but for some reason, someone thought I said that.

this post was mostly me being upset with the quality o the H I got for 3 days in a row, I don't think I'll ever waste my time again, unless I see some brown, or tar, then I'll try it. but those buttons were shit.

well, I didn't know the people. the guy I was taking said he knew the guy, and it was his money, I got a button and a half for free for the ride. I dont' think I would've done that myself with my money. btw, furter up the street from where I stopped I had a bunch of black guys yelling stuff at me, and I know if I would've stopped for them I probably would've caught a brick in the face or something, and I made sure the only thing I had on me was drivers liscence, pocket knife, keys, and insurance card.


did it occur to you that they were trying to sell you something instead of throwing a brick at you.

white boys in ghettos come with money for drugs... im sure they just wanted some of that cash

did it ever occur to you, that some people are so desperate, and don't care that they will cause harm to you, to steal everything you've got, and leave you beaten on the ground, to take all of your possessions, and keep their drugs, if there even was drugs to be had in the first place.

you gotta understand, I've never been in that situation before, the dude I was with didn't tell me where we were going, or the drill I was supposed to run as soon as he handed off the cash. the guys started beating on the side of my van, and I didn't know why at first.

What yall are calling buttons is just scramble up here. I dont fuck with that shit I get raw (comes in vials) But some stuff that comes in gel caps and be bomb it just depends on what spot you are at.

Took the words right out of my mouth. I actually prefer good scamble to raw. Sounds like your pills were just stepped on heavily.

did it ever occur to you, that some people are so desperate, and don't care that they will cause harm to you, to steal everything you've got, and leave you beaten on the ground, to take all of your possessions, and keep their drugs, if there even was drugs to be had in the first place.

you gotta understand, I've never been in that situation before, the dude I was with didn't tell me where we were going, or the drill I was supposed to run as soon as he handed off the cash. the guys started beating on the side of my van, and I didn't know why at first.

sorry the whole brick thing got on my tits... its the way it goes on the "block"... the "brothas" callin out to you are likely to be dealers. When I go to Patterson, its how I find my connects. if the man looks like a crack head I dont stop. Runners usually dont use what they sell.

If your gonna play the cat and mouse game you need to toughen up, wisen up and get yourself some street smarts. Its those who feel they dont belong on the the "block" that get fucked over the most. Sorry you got offended, I was just given you a heads up.

Ive been beat more by "whites" then anyone else. people gotta make a living somehow, put away your misconcived sterotypes... they will get you in trouble in the lon run

and if you dabbled in herion already, you be back on the block soon enough babe. welcome to junky-dom

kisses
the antimuse

eh, I was very unimpressed (also broke, so buying only a little bit). I enjoy oxy's. it makes me hyper unless I take enough ;)

and actually, I haven't had any opiates in the past month. everynow and then I'll go on junky binges, but I"m no full time junky, as much as I want to be. haha